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[court.]

I am not sure when I O at all. I have done OPK'S before but I find them too stressful. I'm taking soy as I really don't think I can ovulate on my own. My periods can be quite irregular. I have had some cramps on and off but I don't even know if they are OV pains :S I am so confused as to what to look for or how to know I'm ovulating.

 

[prettymachine]

OV pain for me felt like pinching in my ovaries. one more than the other. they are right by your hip bones.

as far as opks they say do every other day start CD8 and then every day starting cd12. if you want to skip them i would just say BD every other day starting cd 8 and as soon as you start getting any CM then BD every day, and one day after the CM is gone...just to be safe.

 

[Jaz78]

I dont get ovulation pain but i do tend to get AF like symptoms when I'm ovulating so i can usually tell. I found symptom charting very useful for working this out

 

[Glowstar]

Pretty machine, I didn't take it for 8 cycles!! We were ttc for 8 cycles. I took soy for 2 then had a break, then took it for another 2 but the last one was a super low dose, like 40-80mg.

Jaz, how long have you been ttc? Are you charting your temps because without that you really can't say how long your LP is. As for the ladies with no CM, try pre-seed or conceive plus.
Or try drinking Green tea. X

 

[Janie66]

Hi ladies

It looks like i'll be trying soy earlier than i thought - AF is here today It is good to be able to start a new cycle but I had a LP of only 8 days!!!!! that hasnt happened before and obviously i cant get UTD on that. It was 11 days long until i started taking B6 which raised it to 14 days. Have no idea what was up with my body this cycle. Its bad enough usually, and its depressing to think its getting worse. I really hope soy throws me a lifeline.

DH went overseas today to visit family so im extra sad about that too as it will be just me and my little girl for the next 8 days.

Sorry this is such a selfish post, im just feeling very down about it all

Vit B6 did this to me, made af come early, took B6 for 3 mnths, so I stopped taking it

 

[Janie66]

Getting fed up now, I'm 5 days late, tested again this morning, bfn again, no sign of af, not many symptoms either of af too, if soya made me ovulate later, surley not to make af this late???

 

[prettymachine]

Pretty machine, I didn't take it for 8 cycles!! We were ttc for 8 cycles. I took soy for 2 then had a break, then took it for another 2 but the last one was a super low dose, like 40-80mg.

oh, phew! well when you decide to conceive again, the two things i took to help prevent another miscarriage were red raspberry leaf tea(delicious!) and baby asprin. they are meant to make your uterus stronger. these i took every day with my prenatals until i got my +...of course you stop them both once you have gotten your +. they must work cuz this bean stuck for me! and fingers crossed for you that you have similar luck!

just for inspiration, my aunt didnt have her first child until she was 41, and had two more after that... it CAN happen

 

[Scholesy]

Sorry the witch got you Jaz, at least you can try soy now really hope it works for you x

afm, I'm now 9 dpo and tests say BFN at the moment but temps keep going up. I'm feeling pretty rubbish today, started with a cold yesterday and now I appear to have a UTI - this is the first time I've ever had one! Hope my immune system is lower because I've got a sticky bean

 

[prettymachine]

Sorry the witch got you Jaz, at least you can try soy now really hope it works for you x

afm, I'm now 9 dpo and tests say BFN at the moment but temps keep going up. I'm feeling pretty rubbish today, started with a cold yesterday and now I appear to have a UTI - this is the first time I've ever had one! Hope my immune system is lower because I've got a sticky bean

i had a "cold" and a "uti" too! which of course were just baby 9dpo is TOO early.... try again at 11dpo....even then it could be too early to tell, but a faint line would probably come up!

 

[Jaz78]

glowstar - this time round have only been TTCing for 3 months (2 cycles). I temp chart and have done so for quite awhile

janie - i dont think B6 made my LP be suddenly shorter as it has consistantly pushed it up to 14 days from 11 for a few cycles previous to this.

scholesy - my fingers are crossed for you. 9DPO is too early for reliable poas results. UTIs suck!

Is it bad to take soy at the same time as alcohol? I want to go out with my mates next friday night so am wondering if i should pick my days to take soy so that its not this night? (I only cut out alcohol after i o). Also is there a reason why people pick CDs 3-7 or CDs 5-9? whats wrong with CD4-8?!

Has soy affected anyone's temp charts?

 

[ice88]

hi... i had very long follicular phase (58days).. but i have normal Lutheal phase (14days)..
now i'am on CD3. can soy help me to shorten follicular phase? or may be i must take vitex?
help me please

 

[honey08]

just incase anyones intrested i bought soy and feel preg, so ive a big holland and barrett tub4sale , inbox me and goodluckx

 

[Glowstar]

Jaz can you share your chart, easier for us to chart stalk you. As for 4-8 last time I took it those days, purely because I forgot on the evening of cd, so I ended up taking a lower dose in the mornings.

I'm not sure about the B6 as I only ever take 10mg it's never effected my LP BUT...i did have one weird cycle after taking soy for 2 cycles, I stopped taking it and had a weird 19 day cycle. Fertility friend couldn't make its mind up wether I ov'd on cd6 or cd12!!

Ice - I think soy could work for you, if you read back a few pages Elanese had the same issue and the soy gave her, her first normal length cycle in a while.

 

[Jaz78]

my chart:
https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/261829

i'll see if i can add it to my signature. i dont temp chart for the first part of the cycle (and a bit longer this time as i went away) since i know i wont be Oing that early (although with trying soy this time i will). My coverline is always abot 36.5

 

[Glowstar]

Thanks Jaz..it's just nice to be able to have a look just so we can help each other

I see what you're saying about you LP. Have you recently come off Birth Control? A good website you might want to read is Naturalfertility.com. I'm wondering if something like Agnus Castus or Maca Root might help balance out your hormones. You can do a search on BnB for both of those. I took Maca Root capsules and plan on taking them again as soon as the spotting stops after my D&C. My OH also took them...it can increase sperm count by 200%!

 

[elliots.mum]

hey ladies
so i took SI days 4-8 and am on CD22... i was doing OPK's every day up until CD17 and then gave up seeing i couldnt figure it out! but according to research, your meant to ovulate 7 days after the final dosage so for me it would be cd14 - therfor at current i think i would be 8DPO **THINK** being the keyword = i HATE this waiting crap!!!! sooo not fair!!! why isnt there a test that you can take just a few DPO???
can someone please go and invent that already? jeesh we can fly to the moon but we cant figure out infertility - sucks!

im having a few PG symptoms but not sure if its all in my head or im just *hoping* that the tablets have worked!
either way i guess time will tell - if you like, you can check out my blog - https://soy-isoflavonettcpcos.blogspot.com/

FX for you all xx

 

[Jaz78]

glowstar - First of all, want to say that I am very sorry for your loss it must be really hard to stay positive after that.
i havent taken birth control in about 3 years. I have had a baby in that time (I thank chinese medicine, acunpuncture and a hell of a lot of BDing for that as my cycles have always been bad!), and i was bfing but that stopped in november last year. i have a book called "natural fertility" which i found very useful in learning all about temp charting, cm, extra. i am well versed in all this stuff from TTC#1 I actually took vitex/angus castus for most of my last cycle, so I am wondering if maybe that is why my LP is suddenly short?! anyway, going to give the soy a shot this cycle. I was looking at your chart. how many of the cycles have you taken soy for? just the ones where it is noted on the charts or more?
I'll have to look up maca root and see if we can get it here (aus can be a pita with some of this stuff) for Dh. cant hurt!

elliots mum - haha you are so right that someone should hurry up and invent better pregnanty tests!! i read that O is usually 5-10 days after last dosage of soy. OPKs dont work reliably for me so i dont use them. have you thought about temp charting? anyway, my fingers are crossed for you! oh and i read a bit of your blog. Love the babycenter stats that you reference

I am starting soy tomorrow night!

 

[debzie]

Hello ladies just thought I would catch up and boy there is alot to catch up on so many questions.

Soy and charting? the two cycles I took soy my temps were way lower pre ovulation, the cycle I got my bfp my temps post ovulation were lower also.

Soy and CM? the first cycle I took soy cd2-6 I spotted until cd11 BUT had loads of ewcm. Second cycle not so much was more watery then ewcm and used preseed.

My folicular phase and luteal remained unchanged with it but I know that some women it had delayed or brought forward ovulation and delayed af.

Sending everyone truck loads of baby dust. x

 

[Crystal94560]

Ice- thats how my cycles were and it worked for me.
I thought I o'd on cd 14-15... Answer brand was positive but cbe digi stayed negative. I had o pains and everything. Well dh and I bd'ed cd 10-15 everyday then took a two day break because he is sick and we figured the fertile phase was over. Cm turned creamy, opk went back to negative. Cd 18 we bd'ed in the am...a couple hours later I did my daily opk. Its positive...did a digi, positive...let a few hours go by, ovulation pains start again, took another digi, still positive. So now I have one of two scenerios going on. Double ovulation? Or I almost o'd and my body shut down for two days and retried.
No matter whats going on Im thrilled I am oing at cd-14-18 and not 50-70! Lol

 

[prettymachine]

so sorry for your loss debzie