Syria

[BabyMamma93]

I watched something on TV the other night about all this, i dont remember what it was called, but a woman was in Calais and she was saying how cruel we are for not letting them in 'germany and other countries are letting us in' when asked why they dont go there they answered 'because London is better, and easier to live' it then showed a guy who had snuck into a truck to get here, they then interviewed him in London, he was well impressed and couldnt wait to see what he can claim. yet its not about the money? im sorry but i just disagree with alot of you and it may make me selfish or whatever but thats just my views on it.

And no i wouldnt let a refugee in my home, but i also wouldnt let a homeless guy i seen in town in my house too. why? because i would not risk the safety of mine and my childs life. we come first im affraid

 

[Tasha]

One person doesn't equate thousands. They can only get £36 whilst seeking asylum so don't see why he was excited over that. Thousands have gone to Germany, way more than here

 

[Miss Vintage]

I don't even know where to begin. I'm sorry if I offend you, but it's attitudes like this that make me ashamed of this country sometimes. So you watched one TV show, it showed you a couple of people expressing a view that they would like to come to the UK for what you feel are the wrong reasons, and that has decided you on the whole refugee issue? Did you not think that perhaps that programme just showed you the so called undesirable migrants, for sensationalist reasons? I saw something on TV the other day too. It was a news report on the many hundreds of people who have drowned trying to escape a war zone. It showed one guy who's two children had just died. That made my mind up.

 

[LoraLoo]

Also- that's fine that you wouldn't want to welcome them into your homes, that's your prerogative, but that's not what they're asking for. They don't want to move into your home, they just want safety.

 

[Kate&Lucas]

I saw the same documentary. It's quite clear the people are hand picked to push a certain point of view. I'm sure we don't all believe that Benefits Street is representative of all benefits claimants, or Big Fat Gypsy Wedding is representative of all travellers.
When the media wants you to believe something, it knows how to portray the subject in order to provoke a reaction.

 

[lisa1980]

These people are refugees, like Jewish people in WW2, not economic migrants.

I believe that a decent society helps those in need. I personally have MUCH more sympathy for those asking for help because they are running from war or persectution than those who expect help from the state just because they happen to have been born in this country.

It's total luck where you happen to be born. Just because you've been lucky to be born in a country with wealth, benefits and safety doesn't mean you deserve these things any more than anyone else. In fact, you probably deserve them less as you've had much more opportunity than someone born somewhere with no free education etc. You could've just have easily been born in Syria and been fearing your childrens' lives and hoping for help from other human beings who (you hope) have some humanity and compassion.

I saw a quote in one paper which I think sums it up: "the greatest threat to our 'way of life' is not migration, but that we swallow the lie that some human lives matter less than others"

 

[LoraLoo]

I feel I should add- how desperately sad must their lives be even if £36 was an incentive for them to risk their lives to come here?!

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Like Katy said, one British perso does not represent us all. Someone I know has said they should all be sent to jail. Thats his view not mone. We are different. Like the people you saw.
https://theburningbloggerofbedlam.w...-crisis-simplified-for-idiots-and-xenophobes/

 

[BabyMamma93]

i just dont believe that all the refugees are innocent thats all, i think we could be opening our gates for a whole lot of sh*t.. then what? when we are all foreigners in our own country? when our elderly cant be homes because there is no houses left, yet people who come from a different country can be homed in weeks, and yes, i do know this for sure, i do know that people can come from Pakistan and get as council house almost instantly, yet i know people who are living in damp infested homes with kids and they have been waiting for a council house for years.
i know you cant portray a whole lot of people by hearing just 2 peoples story, i dont look at a persons race and judge them because of what someone of the same race did but im pretty sure we have more problems involving foreign people than our own, on a crime site, if you scroll down the page, most if not all are of a different race, that have come from a different country, they are raping, abusing, beating and killing people of a different race to them, but thats okay, put them in our prisons costing US money and let more in, why not??

what i say isnt going to change anything, we will all soon see when our country goes to pot because well, it wont be our country for much longer

 

[Tasha]

I can't tell you how offensive that last post was. It's beyond words tbh.

I live in one of the highest immigration areas in the UK and let me tell you that the refugees are treated like crap, they can be held in the detention centres for years upon years. Those detention centres are like cat b prisons, they're bloody awful. If you have someone to visit you in there then they are searched, go through X-ray machines etc. Trust me when I say that the vast majority of refugees don't get a home immediately instead they are in these or hostels for years and years. Not knowing if at any moment they will be sent back.

We will never feel like foreigners in our 'own' country and if people do it is simply because they can not look beyond someone's native country, their background or their religion.

We are moving away from here soon (as I stated earlier we are currently of no fixed abode) and the downside to me is that my children will no longer be in this multicultural area as it only enriches their lives!

 

[Tasha]

Oh and you're probably right not all refugees are innocent but should we punish the majority because of the minority? Should we do the same to all benefit claimants? To those with tax credits, housing benefit etc. I mean not all of them are innocent so...

 

[Miss Vintage]

Wow, just...wow. BabyMamma93, you could be the poster girl for UKip. Where do you get your 'facts' and figures from? I'm pretty sure you'll find that due to centuries of immigration, a lot of us are 'foreigners' in our 'own' country. I know I am, would you like to send me back?

 

[maryp0ppins]

Wow, just...wow. BabyMamma93, you could be the poster girl for UKip. Where do you get your 'facts' and figures from? I'm pretty sure you'll find that due to centuries of immigration, a lot of us are 'foreigners' in our 'own' country. I know I am, would you like to send me back?

Agreed 100% the 'housing' they get is a detention centre. Where are you getting your facts from babymama93?

 

[Kate&Lucas]

I try to look at an argument from all sides before commenting but honestly, without sources this isn't even a debate. And tbh most of it is blatant racism.

I will never, for the life of me, understand why having a multicultural society is so horrific, so awful that'd we'd rather let people die tragic and horrible deaths than let them live with us. Is it more important to make Britain the solely white, English speaking nation that you want it to be than to stop children being washed up on fucking beaches?

Yes, it'd be lovely to help these people in their own homes. But in a lot of cases, their own homes aren't there anymore.

 

[Kate&Lucas]

Like Katy said, one British perso does not represent us all. Someone I know has said they should all be sent to jail. Thats his view not mone. We are different. Like the people you saw.
https://theburningbloggerofbedlam.w...-crisis-simplified-for-idiots-and-xenophobes/

That article makes me sick to my stomach. Specifically this portion:

On the other hand, a classic example of a ‘refugee’ or ‘asylum seeker’ would be all those scores of European Jews who were fleeing Nazi Europe 70 years or so ago and who, almost without exception, were all turned back and sent back to die in the concentration camps.

As Jews fled Hitler’s Europe, representatives from Britain said the UK had no room to accommodate Jewish refugees. Australia (a country built on immigration and theft) told them “We don’t have a racial problem and we don’t want to import one.” Canada said of the fleeing Jews that “none was too many.”

How many times have we read about the Holocaust and asked ourselves how our countries let it happen? It's this. This is how they let it happen, we're doing it now.

 

[Miss Vintage]

Couldn't agree more, Kate. Really makes you wonder if we have learned anything from recent history, doesn't it?

 

[AP]

I watched something on TV the other night about all this, i dont remember what it was called, but a woman was in Calais and she was saying how cruel we are for not letting them in 'germany and other countries are letting us in' when asked why they dont go there they answered 'because London is better, and easier to live' it then showed a guy who had snuck into a truck to get here, they then interviewed him in London, he was well impressed and couldnt wait to see what he can claim. yet its not about the money? im sorry but i just disagree with alot of you and it may make me selfish or whatever but thats just my views on it.

Even whilst that it a sensationalised point of view from the media - what's new though? Waaaaay to many people in our own country making false benefit claims for things they aren't even entitled to, living the life and buying luxuries and non-necessities and the refugees have absolutely nothing, what is claiming a bit of money to live off basics?

Its inhumane otherwise imo. Theres enough to go round so we can all live a life. We only have one.

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

What did I just read.

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

People saying 'help our own' have you personally tried to help? No?

 

[lisa1980]

Breathtaking.

The swing to the far right in this country lately is, frankly, terrifying.

It's as if people learn NOTHING from history. Almost every section of society has been persecuted at some point in history....babymama it's only a matter of time until it's your turn and then you'll be the one asking for help and hoping that people don't hold the same views as you do now.

Again, just because you were born in this country (by complete chance) or are white does not mean that you are somehow more deserving of help than anyone else. In fact, imo you are LESS deserving in a lot of ways. You're not running from war. You've had free education, healthcare, benefits so you've had opportunity that most people (in the world!) have not had. I'd never argue that needy people shouldn't be helped, whether from abroad or from here, but when you try to compare the situations it's ridiculous.

They're not after a flat-screen TV. They're fleeing from almost certain death and definite suffering. Anyone who says they wouldn't be doing the same in their situation is a liar. I grew up in one of the most racially diverse boroughs in London. I'd prefer to share my town with any number of immigrants than live amongst UKIP-voting racists any day.