Exactly, and what's worse is that maybe people are struggling with #3 or whatever, but some of the people on here who are struggling with their first are going to find out that even after drugs, IUI and IVF, and maybe even donors, they still can't have one and the only thing they can do is adopt or get a surrogate. Which is not a bad thing at all, but it isn't the same. I would much rather be complaining that I can't have a third than complaining that I can't have a first. Many people are completely happy and thankful to have one or more miracles. I myself also want multiple kids, but if I was struggling with that I would be saying "well at least I have 'this many', that's more than some people can say". Also if I had the money I would be more than happy to adopt a baby after I already had some of my own. Of course I would be happy to adopt a baby even if I could not have my own, but like I said it is not the same. I digress, the point is just let people vent, we are all in the same boat here struggling with the same thing. I think everyone on this thread feels compassion for each other even if we are in a little bit of different situations.