TTC 1st child 35+ (Please spoiler any PG news/announcements).

Ladies i went for the accupuncture for my shoulder, and i am so happy i did, just amazing, i feel fantastic and sooooooo relaxed. They should make that a law that everybody has accupuncture!!
 
Padbrat,
I feel for your predicament! I am sorry that you have two choices and neither of them are what you really want - to carry your own healthy baby to term. I hope you don't mind me asking but 2 questions ... :shrug:
1) what is PGD? and
2) is your DH a "never" to egg donation or a "not now"?

My DH & I have done some soul searching and have decided that we won't rule out the egg donation down the road, but it took a while to get there for me and I'm still a maybe. I wish I could do IVF in the next few months but it's too expensive for us right now. How do y'all feel about adoption as an alternative? I know you will be such a good mother! Please hang in there! It must be so hard to feel like it will never happen, but one way or another, if you and your DH want a baby, you will have one. :kiss:

I don't really have the right words for you, but my heart goes out to you! :hugs:
 
Kinda off in la la land here but the other day I saw on the National news that Germany was going to cover IVF fully for their residents to beef up their population. I'm sure we'd all love that opportunity. Wish everyone else would at least cover fertility without maximum lifetime limits. It's a bit frustrating what insurance companies will cover and yet they give us all problems to cover fertility treatment. :wacko:
 
awwww thank you MA and Nikki... Lava, we were going for a egg donation consultation in April, when I fell pregnant with my last one. He has now decided he has changed his mind and doesn't want to do it... Nikki you are so right.. very typical of him is the 'I can't fix it so I am moving on'!!

Lava PGD is a form of IVF where they take the cells post fertilisation at 5 days and test for those that are normal chromosomally.... so this is what I really need, but there are only 2 places in the UK that do this as it is very new technology.

However..... as you all know my life is never that simple....

Help ladies!! As per my Consultants instructions I POAS this morning... a Clearblue... and it has come up pregnant 3+ weeks!!!

I am in a total panic cos I think it means that there is still some of my Son in me and I will have to have more surgery....

Does an ERPC affect your ovulation? cos this would mean that I would have conceieved a week after my surgery on the 11th April and I have been drinking and on an Army exercise weekend...

But I have no real symptoms... apart from tired and eating more...but I assumed that was just because I was hungry from my Army exercise weekend.... though (TMI Sorry) have had a lil constipation this morning...

I have been taking folic acid and aspirin anyway since my surgery.... do you think I should start my progesterone just in case??

I am in a panic... I feel sick with shock and I have to phone my Cons... I just know this means more surgery and nothing good....
 
Oh Padbrat...a little congratulations hun :hugs:

There are mixed views on post ERPC, some women still ovulate, others after two weeks from the op. Don't worry about what you have been doing since, think of those people that are not looking out for being pregnant in the 2WW and carry on as normal.

Get seeing your consultant and keep us posted :hugs:

Skye, good luck with your scan today

Hope everyone's doing ok, have been reading and just wanted to give you all massive hugs for being so open and honest about your feelings. I'm only just starting this TTC journey compared to the rest of you and I feel like I should not be moaning about my little grumbles.

I WAS having PMA until last night, had every intention of posting to everyone today but I have a hole to crawl back in to for the time being.

LynneB, thanks for the good luck..:hugs:

:dust: and :hugs: to all of you wonderful ladies

A xXx
 
Help ladies!! As per my Consultants instructions I POAS this morning... a Clearblue... and it has come up pregnant 3+ weeks!!!

I am in a total panic cos I think it means that there is still some of my Son in me and I will have to have more surgery....

Does an ERPC affect your ovulation? cos this would mean that I would have conceieved a week after my surgery on the 11th April and I have been drinking and on an Army exercise weekend...

But I have no real symptoms... apart from tired and eating more...but I assumed that was just because I was hungry from my Army exercise weekend.... though (TMI Sorry) have had a lil constipation this morning...

I have been taking folic acid and aspirin anyway since my surgery.... do you think I should start my progesterone just in case??

I am in a panic... I feel sick with shock and I have to phone my Cons... I just know this means more surgery and nothing good....

I really don't know what to suggest apart from to start the progesterone, just in case, & speak to your consultant as soon as you can :hugs: I know this must be a confusing time for you but please try to stay positive.
 
OMG Padbrat I am just so stunned. :)))) OMGGGG,, Padbrat I will write you a looong message in a minute. You know all that bulls...t they give you about old egss, that is a load of rubbish. Old eggs don't get you pregnant hon.... I can't believe it. Baby I am so sure that you will hold your little beautiful baby girl in your arms. Just gimme time to recover from my GP appointment and I'll write a detailed post for all xxxx
 
Padbrat
Just sent you a long email on your private email adress. This websites private message option is a little confusing. I usually don't realise I have a private message untill much later so I just wanted to remind you. Hope is useful xxxx
 
OMG Padbrat I am just so stunned. :)))) OMGGGG,, Padbrat I will write you a looong message in a minute. You know all that bulls...t they give you about old egss, that is a load of rubbish. Old eggs don't get you pregnant hon.... I can't believe it. Baby I am so sure that you will hold your little beautiful baby girl in your arms. Just gimme time to recover from my GP appointment and I'll write a detailed post for all xxxx

How was your appointment?
 
However..... as you all know my life is never that simple....

Help ladies!! As per my Consultants instructions I POAS this morning... a Clearblue... and it has come up pregnant 3+ weeks!!!

I am in a total panic cos I think it means that there is still some of my Son in me and I will have to have more surgery....

Does an ERPC affect your ovulation? cos this would mean that I would have conceieved a week after my surgery on the 11th April and I have been drinking and on an Army exercise weekend...

But I have no real symptoms... apart from tired and eating more...but I assumed that was just because I was hungry from my Army exercise weekend.... though (TMI Sorry) have had a lil constipation this morning...

I have been taking folic acid and aspirin anyway since my surgery.... do you think I should start my progesterone just in case??

I am in a panic... I feel sick with shock and I have to phone my Cons... I just know this means more surgery and nothing good....

:hugs::hugs: Try to stay calm until you speak with your consultant. They'll probably run some betas to figure out if they're going up (new pregnancy) or not (need another D&C/ERPC). I know it's hard, but try not to jump to one conclusion or another until you know more. :hugs::hugs: As for ovulation, there's just no telling. AF arrived 4 weeks after my last D&C/ERPC, meaning I ovulated two weeks after. If your periods are usually around 28 days I would be surprised if you ovulated just one week after your ERPC, but you just never know. Keep us posted, honey. :hugs::hugs:

Hope everyone's doing ok, have been reading and just wanted to give you all massive hugs for being so open and honest about your feelings. I'm only just starting this TTC journey compared to the rest of you and I feel like I should not be moaning about my little grumbles.

I WAS having PMA until last night, had every intention of posting to everyone today but I have a hole to crawl back in to for the time being.

LynneB, thanks for the good luck..:hugs:

:dust: and :hugs: to all of you wonderful ladies

A xXx

Please don't feel like you can't moan on here - we're ALL here for support, whether the journey is long or short. I sincerely hope everyone's journey is shorter than mine! :haha: So just let it all out any time you need to. We're here to hold each other up, and pain is pain, whether it's been hurting for two weeks or two years. :hugs:

AFM, my parents arrive this afternoon for a visit so I may not be on here much for about a week while they're here. So have a good week!! See you all when I get back. :flower:
 
Padbrat - just wanted to send you lots of :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: and hope you have some kind of positive outcome xx
 
Hello Everybody! How are you all?? :flower:

Just super quick quickie from me for now.

Dear Padbrat-thinking of you, hun. Hope you're okay-the sooner you know what's what the better. Keep us posted, and huge :hugs: to you.

Skye-how did it go at the docs? Fingers crossed for you! Good luck! :thumbup:

Lava-bet you can't wait for your test tomorrow. I think it's a good idea to give up temping while taking meds, because when I took Clomid, my temps were all over the place. Good luck hun, and you're not out yet. Stay positive. :hugs:

HA-so glad that your meds seem to be working for you. I hope you will just go from strength to strength now! :hugs:

Luvmydoggies-love the pic. So nice to put a face to the name! Sending :hugs: back for the :hugs: you sent in response to my :hugs:!! Hee hee!!

Missy & FM-how are you both feeling??? Hope you're okay? Big :hugs: to you!

MA-hope you're feeling okay after the weekend-thinking of you. :flower:

Ginger, Jo, and EVERYBODY ELSE-hello and lots of :dust:!

AFM, and I'd really appreciate your help with this! I found out this morning that my AMH is 2.9. Now, my mind is in a whirl. This means that I have low ovarian reserve (like you, Lava?), and am likely to reach menopause sooner rather than later. This won't affect my monthly ovulation though, will it? I will still ovulate one egg per month?? It just means that my periods will stop sooner, but I can still get PG naturally? Does it suggest egg quality??? I.e. if hubby's (little sods) swimmies are now in tip top health, then we can still get PG on our own-or not??? (Not that they are, but just trying to think of ideal case scenario). Point is, from what I can gather, an AMH level is most useful as a guide to consultants in deciding on the dosage of meds they would prescribe during treatment. My consultant said that with this figure, they would give maximum drugs (bring it on Dr, I'll take everything you've got!!) and short protocol. I am likely to produce fewer eggs, but surely it's quality and not quantity that matters???

Just think I might have left it too late and my mind is all over the place hence the above questions. I had really bad ovulation pain last night and felt that OH and I should have DTD once again, but we did on Sunday night, and sperm (aka little sods) should still be swimming around in there, surely?? Anyway, I thought I should get a grip and just relax and let it go. As it goes, I listened to Zita West's visualisation CD last night (kindly lent to me by JoCR-thanks million hun) and was so relaxed that I fell asleep when she desrbied the white light going down through my body and then woke up in the final count to snap you out of your rest. :dohh: Great! I didn't even get to the sperm meets egg scenario.. What am I like? This was despite keeping one eye open for the cat, who likes to pounce on me once I'm in my bed....

So, rambles aside, please help me somebody to make sense of this!

Thanks in advance!

Huge sticky :dust::dust::dust: to everybody!
 
awwww thank you MA and Nikki... Lava, we were going for a egg donation consultation in April, when I fell pregnant with my last one. He has now decided he has changed his mind and doesn't want to do it... Nikki you are so right.. very typical of him is the 'I can't fix it so I am moving on'!!

Lava PGD is a form of IVF where they take the cells post fertilisation at 5 days and test for those that are normal chromosomally.... so this is what I really need, but there are only 2 places in the UK that do this as it is very new technology.

However..... as you all know my life is never that simple....

Help ladies!! As per my Consultants instructions I POAS this morning... a Clearblue... and it has come up pregnant 3+ weeks!!!

I am in a total panic cos I think it means that there is still some of my Son in me and I will have to have more surgery....

Does an ERPC affect your ovulation? cos this would mean that I would have conceieved a week after my surgery on the 11th April and I have been drinking and on an Army exercise weekend...

But I have no real symptoms... apart from tired and eating more...but I assumed that was just because I was hungry from my Army exercise weekend.... though (TMI Sorry) have had a lil constipation this morning...

I have been taking folic acid and aspirin anyway since my surgery.... do you think I should start my progesterone just in case??

I am in a panic... I feel sick with shock and I have to phone my Cons... I just know this means more surgery and nothing good....

You need to have some beta's done, and i am praying that its a new pg. My OB told me that he had a woman that had done a d&c because of a m/c, and two weeks later she was in by him again complaining of symptoms, she was pg again, and carried that one full term. So it definatly is possible to be pg again. Prayers are going up for you. Let us know as soon as you hear anything!!
 
Dwgri,
I'm sorry that you are worried about your ovarian reserve. I can speak from experience to say that all those numbers can easily throw you for a loop, but in the end, even though they may indicate it will be harder or require more meds to conceive, it isn't a death sentence and certainly doesn't mean that we can't get pregnant.

I reviewed my notes from my doctor consult right after I got my AMH & FSH test results. My AMH was 1.89 which was considered good - my doctor told me that 1-3.5 is the acceptable range. With that said, I believe that there are two measuring scales associated with it. Here is an excerpt that I found online with the scales:

AMH Reference ranges

Interpretation:

AMH levels do not change significantly throughout the menstrual cycle and decrease with age. Healthy women, below 38 years old, with normal follicular
status at day 3 of the menstrual cycle, have AMH levels of 2.0 – 6.8 ng/ml (14.28 – 48.55 pmol/L). High levels are found in patients with PCOD.

Ovarian Fertility Potential pmol/L ng/mL

Optimal Fertility 28.6 - 48.5 4.0 - 6.8
Satisfactory Fertility 15.7 - 28.6 2.2 - 4.0
Low Fertility 2.2 - 15.7 0.3 - 2.2
Very Low / undetectable 0.0 - 2.2 0.0 - 0.3
High Level > 48.5 >6.8

AMH levels do not vary with the menstrual cycle and can be measured independently of the day of the menstrual cycle.

AMH can be used for:

1. Evaluating Fertility Potential and ovarian response in IVF – Serum AMH levels correlate with the number of early antral follicles. This makes is useful for prediciting your ovarian response in an IVF cycle. Women with low AMH levels are more likely to be poor ovarian responders.

2. Measuring Ovarian Aging – Diminished ovarian reserve, is signaled by reduced baseline serum AMH concentrations. Women with poor ovarian reserve who have entered the oopause have low levels of AMH. However, this is a new test, and is still not easily available.

AMH versus FSH

The old standard for ovarian reserve testing was the Day 3 FSH level.

However, the FSH level is not as reliable as the AMH level for 3 reasons.

1. The FSH level varies according to the cycle dates

2. It depends upon the estradiol level ( a high estradiol level will artificially suppress a high abnormal FSH level into the normal range)

3. It varies from cycle to cycle, so is not always reliable or dependable

An AMH level is a much better marker for ovarian reserve. It is much more stable than the FSH level and does not vary from cycle to cycle. Even better, it can be measured on any day of the cycle ! This is why most infertility specialists today use AMH to check ovarian reserve, rather than the old FSH level.

One confusing thing about AMH is that there are at least 2 scales out there and innumerable clinic definitions of what is "normal" - it depends on which assay they use and which study! One scale is ng/ml and one is pmol/l. The pmol/l scale runs from 0 to about 48; the ng/ml runs from about 0-10. On the ng/ml scale , less than 2 ng/ml is considered to be low.

So, Dwgri ... based on either scale, I think that your AMH numbers are in the good range. We are the same age. Your AMH #s are better than mine. It is true that we aren't 29 year olds with perfect numbers and our numbers reflect our age. But, that is normal and doesn't spell definite problems with conception.

As for your other questions, I believe that you can still ovulate naturally (typically 1 egg on an non-medicated cycle). I've never heard anyone discuss egg quality with AMH results, only with FSH levels. With that said, even borderline FSH levels (mine was 12.5 and 11-12 is the normal cutoff at my clinic), point to diminished ovarian reserve. This affects not only quantity (we produce fewer follicles/eggs even with meds), but it also affects quality (it is harder for the sperm to penetrate the egg b/c the shell is tougher & increases our m/c rates). Still, we must remember that it only takes 1 good egg and I'm sure you've got those in there, hun! Also, there are ways around the fertilization issue with ICSI along with IFV in that they inject a single sperm into the egg. And even a healthy younger female has the risk of m/c.

So, keep your chin up and don't worry too much. What was your FSH level? I think they like to look at that along with your AMH to get a more complete picture. Call you doctor back and ask them to explain it to you. Lots of hugs to you!!!! Hang in there! We aren't out of the game.
 
Padbrat,
I've saying prayers and crossing my fingers for you that this is a brand new pregnancy, your doctors "throw the book at you" as you said to make sure you get all the meds and help you need to sustain it, and you get your much deserved baby in the end. Please keep us posted!
 
Hope everyone's doing ok, have been reading and just wanted to give you all massive hugs for being so open and honest about your feelings. I'm only just starting this TTC journey compared to the rest of you and I feel like I should not be moaning about my little grumbles.

I WAS having PMA until last night, had every intention of posting to everyone today but I have a hole to crawl back in to for the time being.

LynneB, thanks for the good luck..:hugs:

:dust: and :hugs: to all of you wonderful ladies

A xXx


Please don't feel like you can't moan on here - we're ALL here for support, whether the journey is long or short. I sincerely hope everyone's journey is shorter than mine! :haha: So just let it all out any time you need to. We're here to hold each other up, and pain is pain, whether it's been hurting for two weeks or two years. :hugs:

AFM, my parents arrive this afternoon for a visit so I may not be on here much for about a week while they're here. So have a good week!! See you all when I get back. :flower:

Thank you HA, I know everyone is so supportive on here too and I appreciate it hugely.

I have been having a good couple of weeks then a bad couple of weeks to follow and I am getting bored of listening to my own moaning :dohh:

Also, I don't have much time to post as my OH detests technology/net as such so I keep uo with my phone which also makes it difficult to post long replies or to keep up with the thread.

I do think about you all and have my fingers and toes crossed for each and everyone of us that this journey brings us some happiness before long.

Skye...how did your appointment go??

Padbrat...any news?

A XxX
 
Ladies just wanted to say that I'm reading & keeping you all in my prayers. I don't often have advice to give as I know nothing about any of the medical interventions as my doctor refuses to do anything until I've lost weight but I'm keeping everything crossed for you all & sending you all my love xxx
 
Ladies just wanted to say that I'm reading & keeping you all in my prayers. I don't often have advice to give as I know nothing about any of the medical interventions as my doctor refuses to do anything until I've lost weight but I'm keeping everything crossed for you all & sending you all my love xxx

Thats what I wanted to say too but I didn't have the right words :wacko:

Twinkle, love the pic of you guys as well as the other couples pics :)

A xXX
 
Ladies just wanted to say that I'm reading & keeping you all in my prayers. I don't often have advice to give as I know nothing about any of the medical interventions as my doctor refuses to do anything until I've lost weight but I'm keeping everything crossed for you all & sending you all my love xxx

no matter - we love your chatting anyway! :) Likewise, everything crossed for you, too! :happydance:
 
Dwrgi- I hope you caught that eggie

Missyt Yay for the increasing sperm count what did you guys do differently? Don't give up! I'm praying for your bfp

HA- Thank you for the link

Lava- Great you got answers! I know it's hard not to stress, I hope this 2ww flies by and you get your bfp.

Padrat- I hope when you update you have good news, I'm praying.

afm- my IUI is scheduled for Friday. I trigger tonight, my follie are 16x10 13x11 15x11 12x11 on my right ovary they are 24x17 19x19 . I'm praying that this is it and that we get our bfp!
 

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