TTC after loss - over 40 - any takers? Our lucky thread - 9 rainbows and 1 BFP

[crazymam]

Well just returned from my acupuncture session and feel a little strange. Something definately happened when those needles went in!

Firstly he did something with magnets on my fingers and says my stomach is the problem, I am not digesting food right so my blood is not good enough. I need to eat at least 2 eggs every day and lots of dark green veg and steak, not overcooked.

He also placed needles in my ears and said both my ovaries are fine and my uterus is healing, so all good there too.

He also placed needles for my pituitary gland to try and improve my LP and also needles to calm me down.

I have a magnet in my ear, that needs to stay all week. I need to press it every 3-4 hours, I think this is to help with my emotions.

I also have 4 magnets on my little finger which need to stay on for a day

He has told me not to worry and believes he can help.

I feel different now to earlier, so whatever he did is helping already!

I have to keep a log of anything that feels different this week. At the moment I feel very tired!

He told me not to worry about my age (41) he didn't think this was a problem. He is currently helping a 48 year old. He specialises in fertility and miscarriage.

Also I don't have to drink that disgusting ginger tea!

I am feeling really positive now about all of this and hope these good vibes will help me to get my rainbow.

sounds good, you are braver than me though as I am terrified of needles!
try an egg and spinach omelette. just use a small pan and do a small one .Its a nice way to eat spinach.

Still no opk , but my temp climbed this morning again so wondering if I missed it with the stick? Just read today its better to do them in the afternoon not first thing. I havent given him a rest so not too worried about that

 

[dancareoi]

Well just returned from my acupuncture session and feel a little strange. Something definately happened when those needles went in!

Firstly he did something with magnets on my fingers and says my stomach is the problem, I am not digesting food right so my blood is not good enough. I need to eat at least 2 eggs every day and lots of dark green veg and steak, not overcooked.

He also placed needles in my ears and said both my ovaries are fine and my uterus is healing, so all good there too.

He also placed needles for my pituitary gland to try and improve my LP and also needles to calm me down.

I have a magnet in my ear, that needs to stay all week. I need to press it every 3-4 hours, I think this is to help with my emotions.

I also have 4 magnets on my little finger which need to stay on for a day

He has told me not to worry and believes he can help.

I feel different now to earlier, so whatever he did is helping already!

I have to keep a log of anything that feels different this week. At the moment I feel very tired!

He told me not to worry about my age (41) he didn't think this was a problem. He is currently helping a 48 year old. He specialises in fertility and miscarriage.

Also I don't have to drink that disgusting ginger tea!

I am feeling really positive now about all of this and hope these good vibes will help me to get my rainbow.

sounds good, you are braver than me though as I am terrified of needles!
try an egg and spinach omelette. just use a small pan and do a small one .Its a nice way to eat spinach.

Still no opk , but my temp climbed this morning again so wondering if I missed it with the stick? Just read today its better to do them in the afternoon not first thing. I havent given him a rest so not too worried about that

I was going to ask you about the egg and spinach omelette. How much spinach do you use and do you cut the stems off?

I am still bleeding slightly, sorry if tmi but it seems almost creamy. I am beginning to think it may be an increase in CM coming up to EWCM!

I want to track my cycle this month, but it could be tricky if still bleeding and getting positive opk. I am doing temp each morning, so if I do OV in next few days, hopefully that will be the indicator . Will do another opk later and see if its getting any lighter yet!

Sounds like you are doing all you can to catch that eggie!

We haven't did in weeks as I was so worried it would cause something to happen. Well fat lot of good that did, because I had mc anyway.

Still haven't yet, due to fact not 2 weeks yet since dnc.

Let me know about that omelette, sounds a good way of getting eggs and spinach.

 

[crazymam]

For the omelette i use olive oil to cook it in, three eggs , a good handful of spinach and i leave stems on and chop it, and about three cherry tomatoes sliced. I use a small omelette pan as this makes it thicker.
I use spinach leaves in salads too.

 

[dancareoi]

For the omelette i use olive oil to cook it in, three eggs , a good handful of spinach and i leave stems on and chop it, and about three cherry tomatoes sliced. I use a small omelette pan as this makes it thicker.
I use spinach leaves in salads too.

i think i will try that, good way for getting the eggs and spinach i need.

I too hate needles, but the acupuncture didnt bother me, although a couple of the needles did give a really strange sensation when they went in!

Dont know whether it was the acupuncture, but i felt so tired last night, i went to bed at 9.30pm!

have to press this magnet as well, i have to press it really hard and you can really feel it when you do it. I am sure it is something to do with a calming things and to help my emotions!

Chatting to DH about it all last night, he is so sceptical about the whole thing, i think he thinks it`s a load of mumbo jumbo, but he said if it makes me feel better then what harm!

Well i certainly feel more positive, this guy thinks he can help me, so what I have i got to lose. As and when I get PG again, he wants to see me every week to make sure all goes well.

hospital appointment tomorrow at 8.15am with Professor Quemby, she is a leading miscarraige specialist, i saw her in May and she carried out some routine tests and all were clear. the acupunturist said she is excellent and has so many tricks up her sleeve. Let`s see what her thoughts are tomorrow!

Realised it is a year ago yesterday that all this started. A year ago yesterday that we found i was PG by accident. What a lot has happened in that year.

 

[crazymam]

I think i must have ovulated monday as my temp went up tuesday and has stayed elevated and ny cervix is still high. Looks like the sticks were waste of time then!
I have had two miscarriages in 6 months and havent been referred to anyone. Made an appt with my GP to discuss. All they keep saying is its your age! Well that isnt helping!

 

[crazymam]

I take it back ovulation sticks do work! Got my positive good job i am still off work and he works ten mins away and can get away when he wants haha so excuse me for a while girls x

 

[dancareoi]

I take it back ovulation sticks do work! Got my positive good job i am still off work and he works ten mins away and can get away when he wants haha so excuse me for a while girls x

 

[Creative]

I take it back ovulation sticks do work! Got my positive good job i am still off work and he works ten mins away and can get away when he wants haha so excuse me for a while girls x

We will of course excuse you whilst you do the *cough* entertain your other half!

 

[dancareoi]

hi all,

well been to see professor Quemby this morning, good and bad news really. have to start getting my head round the fact this might not happen and we will have to call time on it soon!

Her first response was to stop trying now, they are worried more about my mental state than my physical state. She said i won`t be able to see how this is effecting me mentally, but others around me will and she is worried about the long term effects.

They also said they didn`t want me to try until we get the results from the tissue taken at the time of the d & c - 3 - 4 months!

Me being me, not prepared to listen or agree with the experts, said i am not prepared to wait because mentally that effects me more. I said i need to keep trying and get on with it. DH is agreeing with the Professor, after all she has being doing this for 20 years and probably does know a little more than me!!!

Anyway, the conversation progressed and I told her about my AF during the year and my short LP and taking B6 etc.

She seems to think the LP is the problem. She also thinks i am super fertile, which is a bad thing! At my age she said it should take 6-9 months to get pregnant, but because I got PG in 4 tries, she thinks that is the problem.

i have read about this before, ladies who are super fertile getting PG all the time and miscarrying all the time. Basically the body is keeping an embryo which is not viable and instead of getting rid of it straight away, it is keeping it and then deciding no at a later stage.

She wants to make me less fertile - my first thought was are you joking, thats all I need at my age, but she went on to explain this pioneering diagnostic treatment they offer to ladies like me.

It is not done on the NHS and will cost us £360.00 - which we are going to do.

Firstly I need to email her the day I OV. they will send an appointment through for 7-10 days later for me to go to University Hospital Coventry, where either her or another expert professor will take a biopsy of my womb. They will remove a small amount of the lining from the womb to test for NK killer cells, which is something they can treat.

however, we have to wait for a period first, which is what we had agreed to do anyway. They will then treat me with progesterone cream to increase my LP to 14 days. This apparently helps the body to make sure it keeps the viable embryo and expel the ones that arent so good.

It has helped ladies with my problem.

So in effect, it should take longer to get PG, but theoretically if i do get PG then it should be a keeper.

My DH asked about the risk of DS or problems with the baby. She didn`t think this would be a problem as my body does seem to get rid of the ones that arent right, so she said not to worry about that.

however, she has put a time limit on it. she is only prepared to offer the treatment for 6 months, if we dont get PG or things dont go to plan, she is saying that will be that, they wont help anymore as again, back to the mental issue, there is only so much i can take.

i know she is right. At the moment i feel happy that we are doing something productive, but I know as the 6 months draws to a close, things wion`t be good, but i know that there has to be a limit on it as well. We can`t keep going on like this, life is just on hold.

So for now, i am going to think positive. keep seeing my acupuncturist and have this treatment and hope and pray third time lucky and we get our rainbow.

 

[crazymam]

hi all,

well been to see professor Quemby this morning, good and bad news really. have to start getting my head round the fact this might not happen and we will have to call time on it soon!

Her first response was to stop trying now, they are worried more about my mental state than my physical state. She said i won`t be able to see how this is effecting me mentally, but others around me will and she is worried about the long term effects.

They also said they didn`t want me to try until we get the results from the tissue taken at the time of the d & c - 3 - 4 months!

Me being me, not prepared to listen or agree with the experts, said i am not prepared to wait because mentally that effects me more. I said i need to keep trying and get on with it. DH is agreeing with the Professor, after all she has being doing this for 20 years and probably does know a little more than me!!!

Anyway, the conversation progressed and I told her about my AF during the year and my short LP and taking B6 etc.

She seems to think the LP is the problem. She also thinks i am super fertile, which is a bad thing! At my age she said it should take 6-9 months to get pregnant, but because I got PG in 4 tries, she thinks that is the problem.

i have read about this before, ladies who are super fertile getting PG all the time and miscarrying all the time. Basically the body is keeping an embryo which is not viable and instead of getting rid of it straight away, it is keeping it and then deciding no at a later stage.

She wants to make me less fertile - my first thought was are you joking, thats all I need at my age, but she went on to explain this pioneering diagnostic treatment they offer to ladies like me.

It is not done on the NHS and will cost us £360.00 - which we are going to do.

Firstly I need to email her the day I OV. they will send an appointment through for 7-10 days later for me to go to University Hospital Coventry, where either her or another expert professor will take a biopsy of my womb. They will remove a small amount of the lining from the womb to test for NK killer cells, which is something they can treat.

however, we have to wait for a period first, which is what we had agreed to do anyway. They will then treat me with progesterone cream to increase my LP to 14 days. This apparently helps the body to make sure it keeps the viable embryo and expel the ones that arent so good.

It has helped ladies with my problem.

So in effect, it should take longer to get PG, but theoretically if i do get PG then it should be a keeper.

My DH asked about the risk of DS or problems with the baby. She didn`t think this would be a problem as my body does seem to get rid of the ones that arent right, so she said not to worry about that.

however, she has put a time limit on it. she is only prepared to offer the treatment for 6 months, if we dont get PG or things dont go to plan, she is saying that will be that, they wont help anymore as again, back to the mental issue, there is only so much i can take.

i know she is right. At the moment i feel happy that we are doing something productive, but I know as the 6 months draws to a close, things wion`t be good, but i know that there has to be a limit on it as well. We can`t keep going on like this, life is just on hold.

So for now, i am going to think positive. keep seeing my acupuncturist and have this treatment and hope and pray third time lucky and we get our rainbow.

I have my fingers crossed for you. I am going to actually quote your post to my gp as she doesnt seem to be concerned at the fact I am 43 and had two miscarriages in 6 months? I am hoping they dont say I am super fertile too then It has got me wondering though. I fell immediately with my oldest, came of the pill and fell, no period. had a missed miscarriage after her and a d and c and fell two weeks later. I fell with my twins 10 years ago and gain fell straightaway no cycle.
I think my LP is also about 10 days too although it was 14 just before this miscarriage so think it varies.
I am quite frustrated that my GP doesnt actually seem to be taking me seriously. its as if oh you have four, you are 43, just go away!
But my partner doesnt have any so it is important to me.
I am hoping she listens to me this time. Time is ticking away.
As for you rmental state of mind I agree with you, I think it is more to do with your frustration at not being able to carry full term at the moment, you can obviously get pregnant thats not the issue

 

[dancareoi]

hi all,

well been to see professor Quemby this morning, good and bad news really. have to start getting my head round the fact this might not happen and we will have to call time on it soon!

Her first response was to stop trying now, they are worried more about my mental state than my physical state. She said i won`t be able to see how this is effecting me mentally, but others around me will and she is worried about the long term effects.

They also said they didn`t want me to try until we get the results from the tissue taken at the time of the d & c - 3 - 4 months!

Me being me, not prepared to listen or agree with the experts, said i am not prepared to wait because mentally that effects me more. I said i need to keep trying and get on with it. DH is agreeing with the Professor, after all she has being doing this for 20 years and probably does know a little more than me!!!

Anyway, the conversation progressed and I told her about my AF during the year and my short LP and taking B6 etc.

She seems to think the LP is the problem. She also thinks i am super fertile, which is a bad thing! At my age she said it should take 6-9 months to get pregnant, but because I got PG in 4 tries, she thinks that is the problem.

i have read about this before, ladies who are super fertile getting PG all the time and miscarrying all the time. Basically the body is keeping an embryo which is not viable and instead of getting rid of it straight away, it is keeping it and then deciding no at a later stage.

She wants to make me less fertile - my first thought was are you joking, thats all I need at my age, but she went on to explain this pioneering diagnostic treatment they offer to ladies like me.

It is not done on the NHS and will cost us £360.00 - which we are going to do.

Firstly I need to email her the day I OV. they will send an appointment through for 7-10 days later for me to go to University Hospital Coventry, where either her or another expert professor will take a biopsy of my womb. They will remove a small amount of the lining from the womb to test for NK killer cells, which is something they can treat.

however, we have to wait for a period first, which is what we had agreed to do anyway. They will then treat me with progesterone cream to increase my LP to 14 days. This apparently helps the body to make sure it keeps the viable embryo and expel the ones that arent so good.

It has helped ladies with my problem.

So in effect, it should take longer to get PG, but theoretically if i do get PG then it should be a keeper.

My DH asked about the risk of DS or problems with the baby. She didn`t think this would be a problem as my body does seem to get rid of the ones that arent right, so she said not to worry about that.

however, she has put a time limit on it. she is only prepared to offer the treatment for 6 months, if we dont get PG or things dont go to plan, she is saying that will be that, they wont help anymore as again, back to the mental issue, there is only so much i can take.

i know she is right. At the moment i feel happy that we are doing something productive, but I know as the 6 months draws to a close, things wion`t be good, but i know that there has to be a limit on it as well. We can`t keep going on like this, life is just on hold.

So for now, i am going to think positive. keep seeing my acupuncturist and have this treatment and hope and pray third time lucky and we get our rainbow.

I have my fingers crossed for you. I am going to actually quote your post to my gp as she doesnt seem to be concerned at the fact I am 43 and had two miscarriages in 6 months? I am hoping they dont say I am super fertile too then It has got me wondering though. I fell immediately with my oldest, came of the pill and fell, no period. had a missed miscarriage after her and a d and c and fell two weeks later. I fell with my twins 10 years ago and gain fell straightaway no cycle.
I think my LP is also about 10 days too although it was 14 just before this miscarriage so think it varies.
I am quite frustrated that my GP doesnt actually seem to be taking me seriously. its as if oh you have four, you are 43, just go away!
But my partner doesnt have any so it is important to me.
I am hoping she listens to me this time. Time is ticking away.
As for you rmental state of mind I agree with you, I think it is more to do with your frustration at not being able to carry full term at the moment, you can obviously get pregnant thats not the issue

Thanks.

I have been lucky I suppose that I was referred to this specialist, who obviously knows her stuff.

Sorry you are hitting your head on a brick wall. Def worth speaking to your doc about the things I have mentioned, you just never know.

I think you are up north, otherwise you could have been referred to professor quemy, but she is based in the midlands.

Have been thinking since my post, what if I don't fall PG in the 6 months, is that it, they'll say no more. I will have a consultation when I go for the biopsy, so I will ask them what happens then. Or on the flip side, what if I get PG first time and MC again, will they still go for 6 months.

At least I feel we are doing something positive and just hope everything works out.

The other thing is, if the results from d & c show something wrong, then surely after 2 mc in a row ( 3 out of my last 4 pg have ended in mc) when the odds are 50% chance of mc, surely I am due a break? I know it doesn't work like that though.

Feeling ok now about things, don't know whether its in my mind, but after the acupuncture I feel different, not so weepy. Maybe that will work.

Didn't try spinach omelette yet, but acupuncturist said beetroot is good as well. Not sure about it but brought some and cooked it. As suggested by my mom, I had it on a cheese sandwich, hhmmmm not sure whether I like it or not, but I am willing to do anything.

Have you considered seeing an acupuncturist, I googled fertility acupuncture in Solihull and found my guy. DH and my dad think its a load of nonsense, to put it politely but if what he does makes my eggs better and gets me a rainbow, it won't be such b******s then will it?

 

[Xanth]

awww Dancareoi not what you want to hear is it. You're just like me lol not wanting to wait. I'm sure my Consultant is sick of me

I'm super fertile as well. How many times have I been pregnant now since I started trying last August. I always thought it was a good thing. I never once considered that it wasn't

 

[dancareoi]

awww Dancareoi not what you want to hear is it. You're just like me lol not wanting to wait. I'm sure my Consultant is sick of me

I'm super fertile as well. How many times have I been pregnant now since I started trying last August. I always thought it was a good thing. I never once considered that it wasn't

I think she thought I was a nut, you could almost see her shaking her head when I said I don't want to wait, even though,her,the expert said we should. I wasn't having any of that.

You would think that being super fertile was a good thing. I have read this before on the Internet and it can explain why some women have so many MC.

I really hope this works now, because I know DH will side with experts and refuse to try any more. I am dreading the day already, but I have 7 months to think about it and try and come to some sort of peace with it all. I know myself we can't keep on going like this, I'm just not ready to give up yet.

 

[Angelsmommie]

Awww Dancareoi my heart goes out to you and all that you have endured and still going through. Have you thought of going to a support group in order to help you emotionally cope and heal? I have heard so many good things about these groups and it wouldn't hurt to try. I too thought about going but I managed to cope and pull through with the support of my DH, mom and friends. I'm really glad to read that you're not ready to give up. Don't let this break you!

Much like you, my OB told us to wait 5 - 6 months after the loss of our daughter in order for my body to completely heal from the pregnancy. But I feel emotionally and physically fine to jump in again. Even after my c-cection my body recovered as if my c-section never happened. So my DH and I decided not to listen to him and to start trying after my first AF. 3 months later and still nada.

November 5 is the day we go see a FS for my DH's issue regarding his sperm count and motility issue and I'm certain they'll eventually check to see if all's good with me too. We were fortunately enough to get pregnant regardless of this issue so I'm praying that a rainbow baby will be in the very near future.

I think I mentioned before that we got pregnant with our first 9 months into trying. I have never miscarried before and that's my greatest fear right now. Mentally I'm not sure I'd be able to handle that especially after all we've been through. I keep thinking 'what if the problem is not only with my husband but also with me .... what if I don't have any good eggs left and the only good one I did have I lost' ... UGH feels like torture!

Incredible how badly we want to have a family (that's all I ever wanted as a little girl) and what amazing parents we would all be and then I look around and see what some parents do to hurt their children. It breaks my heart when I hear and read things on the news like that horrible woman that crazy glued her 2 year olds hands to the wall just because the poor child was having issues getting potty trained. Like are you friggen serious?!?!?!?! I ask myself 'WHY????' why them and not us?!?!?!?!

 

[dancareoi]

Awww Dancareoi my heart goes out to you and all that you have endured and still going through. Have you thought of going to a support group in order to help you emotionally cope and heal? I have heard so many good things about these groups and it wouldn't hurt to try. I too thought about going but I managed to cope and pull through with the support of my DH, mom and friends. I'm really glad to read that you're not ready to give up. Don't let this break you!

Much like you, my OB told us to wait 5 - 6 months after the loss of our daughter in order for my body to completely heal from the pregnancy. But I feel emotionally and physically fine to jump in again. Even after my c-cection my body recovered as if my c-section never happened. So my DH and I decided not to listen to him and to start trying after my first AF. 3 months later and still nada.

November 5 is the day we go see a FS for my DH's issue regarding his sperm count and motility issue and I'm certain they'll eventually check to see if all's good with me too. We were fortunately enough to get pregnant regardless of this issue so I'm praying that a rainbow baby will be in the very near future.

I think I mentioned before that we got pregnant with our first 9 months into trying. I have never miscarried before and that's my greatest fear right now. Mentally I'm not sure I'd be able to handle that especially after all we've been through. I keep thinking 'what if the problem is not only with my husband but also with me .... what if I don't have any good eggs left and the only good one I did have I lost' ... UGH feels like torture!

Incredible how badly we want to have a family (that's all I ever wanted as a little girl) and what amazing parents we would all be and then I look around and see what some parents do to hurt their children. It breaks my heart when I hear and read things on the news like that horrible woman that crazy glued her 2 year olds hands to the wall just because the poor child was having issues getting potty trained. Like are you friggen serious?!?!?!?! I ask myself 'WHY????' why them and not us?!?!?!?!

It does so so far that the horrible people in this world seem to get the luck and really don't appreciate or deserve what they have.

At the moment I don't feel I need any support groups, but if this doesn't work out then it maybe something I need to think about.

What gets me though is they are worried for my mental state and how it will effect me in the future, do they not realise what my mental state will be when I am told that's it, that's your lot, no more.

The thought of that is unbearable, that won't help my mental state at all.

Really hoping the acupuncturist is as good as his website says he is, because really he is my last hoe to get me through before the plug is pulled, because DH will side with the experts.

 

[dancareoi]

On a totally different note, we have finally had some good news after all the c**p the last 12 months has thrown at us.

My DS has recently sat the 11+ grammer school entrance exams for bham and warks, the warks results came today and this is how he did-

Scored 360 out if 483. Cut off score for KES was 338 last year. This is a boys school with 81 places.

DS came 49th out if 527 boys in south warks.
81st out of 1029 children in south warks ( KES has 81 places and AGS has 120)
68th out of 935 boys in south and east warks
112th out of 1817 in whole of south and east warks.

We are now waiting on bham scores next week.

I am so proud of him I could burst. At last something to celebrate. Maybe this is now a lucky thread after all!

 

[Xanth]

Awwww big congrats to your son xxx

 

[dancareoi]

Thanks, just waiting in bham results today!!

On another good point i finally got a negative OPK last night. funny when you are TTC you can`t wait for a positive and here`s me waiting for a negative. it`s taken 2 1/2 weeks and i am hoping things are now settling down and my body is sorting itself out, ready for the next try!!!

Won`t be this month as we want to wait a month to make sure all is ok and of course i have to have the biopsy and progesterone treatment.

Here`s wishing lots of baby dust for all of those TTC this month.

 

[crazymam]

Thats great news about your son.
My oldest daughter started work yesterday too so maybe this is a lucky thread!
My appointment with my doctor to discuss things is tuesday. I ovulated at the weekend, so just waiting now. What will be will be and I am going to stay positive that next time its for keeps.

 

[Creative]

I remember well the frustration of waiting for the negative.

For me, this month and next month are going to be very difficult to conceive in. It's a seriously stressy month as my 19 year old is auditioning for conservatoirs (music universities) and we don;t have the dates yet as you only get a couple of weeks notice. He has a date of Nov 15th for Glasgow and he's waiting to hear from Birmingham, Manchester, cardiff and Trinity (Greenwich) we are in East yorkshire and so they are all in totally different directions. I do not travel well and usually end up with migraine and obviosly while TTC and possibly getting PG, I can't take the horrific medicine that normally sorts them.

On top of all that, It's my busiest time of the year and I am constantly making up jewellery, decorations, pot pourri etc for the shop, for my outlets and I have stalls here there and everywhere. I'm teaching some Christmas workshops too. I had cancelled a lot of those when my baby was due at the end of this month and when I lost it, I could only rebook some of them so the work load is not now as heavy as it could have been.