7th Natural cycle IVF(w/o meds) and finally BFP!
- Thread starter dovkav123
- Start date
Briss
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2012
- Messages
- 4,267
- Reaction score
- 0
I finally had my follow up appointment. It's all very distressing but I guess it is what it is. As expected, the clinic did not accept any responsibility for poorly managing my cycle, although they were very sorry about how things worked out and offered a tiny discount on our next treatment. As far as they are concerned everything could have turned out differently. The fact that it did not most likely mean my ovaries are not functioning normally. She could not comment on missing my egg as there was no liquid (not sure what that means) it's possible that the follicle was empty and the fact that LH started rising despite being suppressed with meds means ovaries are misbehaving. I personally do not agree. I think my ovaries are great and they did what they are supposed to as soon as they had a mature egg they released it and did not give a monkeys about the meds. I think the clinic should work with my ovaries rather than try to control them. She was puzzled by immature/poor quality eggs that were collected. my bloods were excellent and there was enough estrogen to support at least 4 mature eggs so they were sure I will have good eggs on EC. The embryologist said that the egg did not fertilise due to its poor quality but she said there is no way on knowing this it could have been the sperm or both. She said they did not want to start me off with higher doses of stims as these has been shown to affect egg quality. basically with my ovaries she recommended going back to natural/modified IVF.
Apparently it's normal to have short LP in a failed IVf cycle. It's to do with having a disbalance between estrogen and progesterone levels. While you are on stims you produce lots of estrogen. during EC they mess up your follicles so the production of progesterone is slightly affected that's why they always supplement your LP with additional progesterone so it balances out lots of estrogen in your body. In a failed cycle where you do not have ET, they do not give any additional progesterone so you simply do not have enough naturally produced progesterone to support normal LP. I guess that explains 11 day LP. She also said it should get back to normal. I really hope so. She also said that my spotting in TWW in the natural/modified cycle was most likely to do with failing implantation rather than not having enough progesterone.
Apparently it's normal to have short LP in a failed IVf cycle. It's to do with having a disbalance between estrogen and progesterone levels. While you are on stims you produce lots of estrogen. during EC they mess up your follicles so the production of progesterone is slightly affected that's why they always supplement your LP with additional progesterone so it balances out lots of estrogen in your body. In a failed cycle where you do not have ET, they do not give any additional progesterone so you simply do not have enough naturally produced progesterone to support normal LP. I guess that explains 11 day LP. She also said it should get back to normal. I really hope so. She also said that my spotting in TWW in the natural/modified cycle was most likely to do with failing implantation rather than not having enough progesterone.
I am sorry about your appointment. I am glad you complained and got a discount for the next time.
Your follicle didn't have fluid?What was the size of the follicle? If it ovulated, then the follicle had to shrink. When my egg was not found, the follicle was big..and had fluid...
My new RE didn't do any blood tests before ER, she rely on the growth of the follicle. The only blood trest I'll do on the 23rd of December.
Why don't you come to Germany and do a natural IVF. I have a feeling you'll be lucky. Your basal temp is great, your FF chart looks great. You need to come on CD8. You need to take 6 days off from work. Then go home and do your preggo test 14 days later.
I had a very stress free ET. 100% sure RE did it right, I saw a bubble and a catheter on U/S. She tried two catheters w/o embrio. The second one she liked better.
Our embryo is 4 cell B grade, didn't get a photo, we should of asked earlier.
First time I am taking progesterone vaginally 200mg a day. It's no fun!
Your follicle didn't have fluid?What was the size of the follicle? If it ovulated, then the follicle had to shrink. When my egg was not found, the follicle was big..and had fluid...
My new RE didn't do any blood tests before ER, she rely on the growth of the follicle. The only blood trest I'll do on the 23rd of December.
Why don't you come to Germany and do a natural IVF. I have a feeling you'll be lucky. Your basal temp is great, your FF chart looks great. You need to come on CD8. You need to take 6 days off from work. Then go home and do your preggo test 14 days later.
I had a very stress free ET. 100% sure RE did it right, I saw a bubble and a catheter on U/S. She tried two catheters w/o embrio. The second one she liked better.
Our embryo is 4 cell B grade, didn't get a photo, we should of asked earlier.
First time I am taking progesterone vaginally 200mg a day. It's no fun!
bettybee1
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Apr 23, 2012
- Messages
- 6,460
- Reaction score
- 0
Sorry briss 
glad you have had ur app tho !!
I don't agree with what they say about the short lutuel phase with ivf because like I said before my first too cycles I bleed at 10dpo meaning my lp 9dpo far too short !!!!
Just the day of transfer about 5dpo my symptoms all went meaning that my estrogen had crashed ! Estrogen is very important in getting pregnant & avoiding some mcs !
Obviously my 3 rd cycles and am now pregnant ! This is due too the meds after EC nothing else !! Because this time aswell I had a 2 day transfer instead of the 3day & 5day I had last time
xxx
glad you have had ur app tho !! I don't agree with what they say about the short lutuel phase with ivf because like I said before my first too cycles I bleed at 10dpo meaning my lp 9dpo far too short !!!!
Just the day of transfer about 5dpo my symptoms all went meaning that my estrogen had crashed ! Estrogen is very important in getting pregnant & avoiding some mcs !
Obviously my 3 rd cycles and am now pregnant ! This is due too the meds after EC nothing else !! Because this time aswell I had a 2 day transfer instead of the 3day & 5day I had last time
xxx
Briss
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2012
- Messages
- 4,267
- Reaction score
- 0
dovkav, congratulations on being PUPO!! fingers crossed your lovely embryo is growing and getting comfortable for the next 9 months. We are thinking about Germany actually cos the prices are so different from the UK. The first stop is to get hubby checked by the urologist to see if we can improve his SA and for me to recover my cycle from all the stim madness…
bettybee, thank you. I remember what you said and that's why I asked them about it cos it did look similar to your situation. I really do not know what to make of what she said. I asked before we started the cycle about estrogen after EC but they said no cos they only use it with a different protocol and apparently they try not to use it at all in TWW because it affects male embryos. I had to rely on what they told me. I will be asking about it in different clinics to see if somebody can explain it better.
afm, My Af is totally out of order. It's usually more like brown spotting by CD5 and over on CD6. it's Cd 6 today and it's still full on bright red and a lot of it… I am so worried. is it going to stop? does not look like it
bettybee, thank you. I remember what you said and that's why I asked them about it cos it did look similar to your situation. I really do not know what to make of what she said. I asked before we started the cycle about estrogen after EC but they said no cos they only use it with a different protocol and apparently they try not to use it at all in TWW because it affects male embryos. I had to rely on what they told me. I will be asking about it in different clinics to see if somebody can explain it better.
afm, My Af is totally out of order. It's usually more like brown spotting by CD5 and over on CD6. it's Cd 6 today and it's still full on bright red and a lot of it… I am so worried. is it going to stop? does not look like it
bettybee1
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Apr 23, 2012
- Messages
- 6,460
- Reaction score
- 0
Hmmm that's total bollocks that it effects make embyros ! :/ gosh your clinic sounds like they need a punch !
Most clinics around the world use estrogen as proctcol after ec ! And then nearly every clinic uses estrogen when a women is a certain age etc.
I really think you should try and find a different clinic Hun !dont worry your af will stop mine were very heavy after my failed cycles xxx
Most clinics around the world use estrogen as proctcol after ec ! And then nearly every clinic uses estrogen when a women is a certain age etc.
I really think you should try and find a different clinic Hun !dont worry your af will stop mine were very heavy after my failed cycles xxx
Briss, please don't worry about your long period. Let your body heal from IVF a month or two and I am sure that your period will go back to normal.
I am 2dpo2dt I am not on the bed rest. Doing everything what feels right. We Even BD this cycle, hopefully spermies will help the embie mature.
The day of ET I felt tiny uterine contraction
A day later a lit more activity around uterus.
These uterine contractions I had with failed IVF. Feeling pesimistic today.
Yesterday I did an HCG shot Brevactid and will do 2 more this week. It should help implantation. Dr. google said that HCG after ET helps with immunity response. Also on the drug slip I read that HCG helps to increase sperm quality.
Also pregnancy rate increases when HCG hormone is administered to the uterus before ET. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZ-BzHqHrA
https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(11)02619-7/abstract
Enjoy Friday 13th, the lucky one!
I am 2dpo2dt I am not on the bed rest. Doing everything what feels right. We Even BD this cycle, hopefully spermies will help the embie mature.
The day of ET I felt tiny uterine contraction
A day later a lit more activity around uterus.
These uterine contractions I had with failed IVF. Feeling pesimistic today.
Yesterday I did an HCG shot Brevactid and will do 2 more this week. It should help implantation. Dr. google said that HCG after ET helps with immunity response. Also on the drug slip I read that HCG helps to increase sperm quality.
Also pregnancy rate increases when HCG hormone is administered to the uterus before ET. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZ-BzHqHrA
https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(11)02619-7/abstract
Enjoy Friday 13th, the lucky one!
Briss
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2012
- Messages
- 4,267
- Reaction score
- 0
dovkav, I wonder why your temp dropped so much. implantation dip? I had AF type cramping with my natural cycle but I think implantation was more like localised type of pain. Really hard to say but so far so good. fingers crossed!
Briss,
I don't do FF anymore. I just right my temps in the book.
I am 2dt7dpo and I feel cramping every evening. I am taking vaginal progesterone 200mg, maybe that could cause the symptoms? I am not putting my hopea too high and trying to stay calm during tough father's in-law's illness.
How are you feeling?
I am so releaved that your period got lighter and going to the end. It is really odd and unussual to you. Body heals really well and fast and you'll see next month everything will be OK
I don't do FF anymore. I just right my temps in the book.
I am 2dt7dpo and I feel cramping every evening. I am taking vaginal progesterone 200mg, maybe that could cause the symptoms? I am not putting my hopea too high and trying to stay calm during tough father's in-law's illness.
How are you feeling?
I am so releaved that your period got lighter and going to the end. It is really odd and unussual to you. Body heals really well and fast and you'll see next month everything will be OK
Briss
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2012
- Messages
- 4,267
- Reaction score
- 0
dovkav, thanks! I really hope this cycle is going to work for you.
I am on Cd12 and still spotting! i was taking antibiotics this cycle in case i had endometritis but it does not seem to be helping. We finally had an appointment with our urologist and unfortunately it is more serious we thought because his SA goes up and down but never reaches normal levels so clearly lifestyle changes are not going to make any difference. The urologist said that usually there is an underlying reason why this happens. This cannot be caused by an obstruction because obstruction is characterised by low SA volumes, high PH and it never fluctuates it only goes down while DH's SA volumes are always around 2-6, PH is normal and the count fluctuates. The other major potential problem is genetic. If there is a genetic issue it will affect the sperm cos it will make the dna unstable and the embryo not viable. I understand there is nothing that can be done. SA will never improve whatever you do. the fact that I had chemical may also indicate that if the sperm had this chromosomal abnormality it made the embryo unstable so basically there is only way for us is to improve the math i.e. to have stim IVF to get many eggs and observe embryos in the lab for longer to pick the good one for ET. unfortunately I had to tell him that with my FSH this is not an option for us. we could only do natural IVf and he said in our case natural IVF does not increase our odds compared to TTC naturally. So basically this is the end of the road. We may get lucky or we may not.
If Dh's genetic test comes back as normal then he said we could try and increase his numbers by throwing ever known treatment at poor DH. The urologist said there is no point in wasting money on any more tests and it's more practical to just go through and try treatments including antibiotics (there is a possibility of some infections being undetected), tricking DH's body into producing more testosterone etc. To be honest when I went there I was hoping he will suggest just that and I just was not ready for the genetic thing. he said he understands the despair but it is what it is and we need to know it because he sees men getting their women pregnant naturally with DH's low numbers and because it's been 3.5 years and nothing, it makes him feel that there is a reason.
We did the blood chromosomes/kary (or karyotype) test but it may take 1-4 weeks to get the results. It's getting more and more depressing with every day
I am on Cd12 and still spotting! i was taking antibiotics this cycle in case i had endometritis but it does not seem to be helping. We finally had an appointment with our urologist and unfortunately it is more serious we thought because his SA goes up and down but never reaches normal levels so clearly lifestyle changes are not going to make any difference. The urologist said that usually there is an underlying reason why this happens. This cannot be caused by an obstruction because obstruction is characterised by low SA volumes, high PH and it never fluctuates it only goes down while DH's SA volumes are always around 2-6, PH is normal and the count fluctuates. The other major potential problem is genetic. If there is a genetic issue it will affect the sperm cos it will make the dna unstable and the embryo not viable. I understand there is nothing that can be done. SA will never improve whatever you do. the fact that I had chemical may also indicate that if the sperm had this chromosomal abnormality it made the embryo unstable so basically there is only way for us is to improve the math i.e. to have stim IVF to get many eggs and observe embryos in the lab for longer to pick the good one for ET. unfortunately I had to tell him that with my FSH this is not an option for us. we could only do natural IVf and he said in our case natural IVF does not increase our odds compared to TTC naturally. So basically this is the end of the road. We may get lucky or we may not.
If Dh's genetic test comes back as normal then he said we could try and increase his numbers by throwing ever known treatment at poor DH. The urologist said there is no point in wasting money on any more tests and it's more practical to just go through and try treatments including antibiotics (there is a possibility of some infections being undetected), tricking DH's body into producing more testosterone etc. To be honest when I went there I was hoping he will suggest just that and I just was not ready for the genetic thing. he said he understands the despair but it is what it is and we need to know it because he sees men getting their women pregnant naturally with DH's low numbers and because it's been 3.5 years and nothing, it makes him feel that there is a reason.
We did the blood chromosomes/kary (or karyotype) test but it may take 1-4 weeks to get the results. It's getting more and more depressing with every day
Electricat
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jan 13, 2013
- Messages
- 607
- Reaction score
- 0
Oh, Briss - I'm so sorry. You brought tears to my eyes 
I feel for you, girl
What will you do? Will you accept the verdict and go on to fill your life with other things and hope one at some point will stick? (It has happened!)
Or will you look into donor and go that route?
You must feel so sad right now, I hope your OH is supportive to you through this.
I feel for you, girl
What will you do? Will you accept the verdict and go on to fill your life with other things and hope one at some point will stick? (It has happened!)
Or will you look into donor and go that route?
You must feel so sad right now, I hope your OH is supportive to you through this.
Oh, Briss!
What a sad note. I am so sorry.
Be supportive to your hubby. Be patient with him. Men are more sensitive about their weekness.
I hope agressive antibiotic treatment will help your hubby.
I pray and hope that 2014 will be our year of happines and joy!
What a sad note. I am so sorry.
Be supportive to your hubby. Be patient with him. Men are more sensitive about their weekness.
I hope agressive antibiotic treatment will help your hubby.
I pray and hope that 2014 will be our year of happines and joy!
Briss
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2012
- Messages
- 4,267
- Reaction score
- 0
Electricat, how is it going? have you had any luck finding out how to improve your lining?
I am still feeling rather low but patiently waiting for the genetic testing to come through (looks like second half of Jan more likely). I am educating myself on various genetic conditions and trying to figure out the options, also talking to ladies whose DH's had abnormal results. It's all very complex and I do not quite understand it all yet. I cannot stop TTC until i have my children that's all i know.
I am still feeling rather low but patiently waiting for the genetic testing to come through (looks like second half of Jan more likely). I am educating myself on various genetic conditions and trying to figure out the options, also talking to ladies whose DH's had abnormal results. It's all very complex and I do not quite understand it all yet. I cannot stop TTC until i have my children that's all i know.
Wishing us all a very merry Christmas and i hope its the last Christmas that see's us childless and that by next Christmas we will be mummies or pregnant. This time of year is so hard but lets enjoy this time and keep hopeful for a fantastic new year xxxx
I didn't go for my beta on the 23rd.
Tomorrow is the day when my period should show up. However progesterone supplements may delay it. I'll do my HPT in the morning and let you know.
I didn't go for my beta on the 23rd.
Tomorrow is the day when my period should show up. However progesterone supplements may delay it. I'll do my HPT in the morning and let you know.
Subaru, thank you so much for support and stopping by my thread.
I am so sorry for your son loss, It's truly unfair that we must deal with so much Heartache!!!
I did 3 HPT and they all BFN. I am still on progesterone and I have tiny spotting. On Monday I'll do my beta for a double check and a final closure.
I am so sorry for your son loss, It's truly unfair that we must deal with so much Heartache!!!
I did 3 HPT and they all BFN. I am still on progesterone and I have tiny spotting. On Monday I'll do my beta for a double check and a final closure.
Similar threads
Users who are viewing this thread
Latest posts
-
Come and wait with me in my tww :D GUESS WHO'S BACK YEP CRAZY WOMAN HERE (5 Viewers)- Latest: HalfricanMa
-
-
-
-