Dealing with azoospermia?

[Stinas]

raelynn- ohhh. I would wait it out too I guess! I hope she arrives soon!!!

snd - I cant believe how fast things have gone for you since I have joined this thread!!! Im soo happy for you!!! Yay!

MrsC8776 - I hope all the timing works out for you and dh!! Its always hard to work all these apts around work, so I can only imagine how much harder it is for you since hes overseas.

rdleela - The more we talk the more your sounding like a doctor! hehe love it!

All the positivity in here is giving me tons of hope! 4 more full days until our apt!! Im praying for some good news! and some asap testing!

 

[raelynn]

So...I think AF has arrived. I guess I'll have a better feel for things tomorrow but I'm just not sure yet. I have been spotting for about 4 days now (or maybe having really really really light AF) but since they say to call on day 1 of full flow I just can't count this. Besides, I tend to spot occasionally throughout my crazy long cycles. Unfortunately, since my cycles are so irregular, I have nothing else to go by but tonight I felt some minor cramping and it seems like it might be getting heavier. How do I know? Of course it would be this cycle where I have the weirdest stuff happening since timing does matter. I'm so worried I'll miscalculate AF and have to trash this cycle. Especially since my next cycle probably won't be for another 3 months.

 

[Stinas]

raelynn - I hope it is AF!!!! Even though its hard...try to keep yourself busy and not think of it...the smallest things set AF back......it happens to me allllllll the time when I want af to come. Its annoying. My longest cycle was 58 days, so I can only imagine how you feel!

 

[wibble wobble]

Rdleela I've never seen any posts of people having bypass surgery.... Is it still in it's trial period? If I ever come across any I'll let you know

It actually has been done for a long time; for anyone interested: https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/452831-overview#a0101

And that's the COMPLICATED surgery; my hubby may have an ejaculatory duct obstruction which they go in through the urethra and it's simpler. (Called TURED) https://www.theturekclinic.com/ejaculatory-duct.html

Anyways, both have been done for YEARS.. and thought some history on the surgeries might be interesting to some!

Anyways, I guess the way I feel is, we're better off to try the free surgery first, and if it fails, on to paying for IVF...the statistics for the EDO TURED are not bad, so that's why we're willing to try this first...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17899434, especially since everything with me seems to be fine...

I'd try the surgery too, if it meant saving money by not needing Ivf. I can't believe the surgeries have been going for years and yet everyone I've spoken to with obstructive azoo have only ever been offered pesa/tesa/tese & ssr. Maybe the Uk have no urologists willing to perform corrective surgery

 

[wibble wobble]

So...I think AF has arrived. I guess I'll have a better feel for things tomorrow but I'm just not sure yet. I have been spotting for about 4 days now (or maybe having really really really light AF) but since they say to call on day 1 of full flow I just can't count this. Besides, I tend to spot occasionally throughout my crazy long cycles. Unfortunately, since my cycles are so irregular, I have nothing else to go by but tonight I felt some minor cramping and it seems like it might be getting heavier. How do I know? Of course it would be this cycle where I have the weirdest stuff happening since timing does matter. I'm so worried I'll miscalculate AF and have to trash this cycle. Especially since my next cycle probably won't be for another 3 months.

Hope it is AF. I've never had really long cycles but I sometimes got an AF and I wasn't sure if it was real AF as it was so light... someone did say to me though, that if you've had any red blood spotting then it is likely to be AF... brown blood or discharge is old rubbish just finding it's way out, left overs from a previous cycle. Not sure how true that is tho

 

[Step Mummy]

Hi Raelynn, have you considerd taking your temperature every morning - I don't know if this would help in your circumstances, this helps me greatly in predicting when AF is due to arrive, as you always get a drop the morning AF comes, or if you don't come on until overnight, then definately the next morning has had the temp drop. I know this won't help you this cycle, but perhaps next month? FYI I have brown spotting for 2-3 days prior to AF, then 2 days full flow then back to brown again for anotehr 2-3 days! So fingers crossed the full flow is there for you!

 

[Deb111]

Raelynn - fingers crossed for you

Rdleela - really interesting links thanks. I know that mTESE has only very recently been done in the UK - in fact the NHS urologist told us there was nowhere that did it in the UK, only the US (but he was wrong! ) I guess we're way behind you over here. Plus, as our private urologist explained to us, this is a fairly rare problem in the big scheme of things and often not treatable and so small countries like us here aren't going to offer loads of treatments because the numbers of men here are quite small. Obviously in the US, you're talking much larger numbers

MrsC - so sorry for all the stress. I think we've all been there to an extent - chasing up appts, test results, one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing - and it's so frustrating. Obviously it's even harder for you trying to fir things in with dh is around. My only bit of advice is to keep pestering them until you get the answers you need

 

[MrsC8776]

Thanks ladies, I was just having a hard day yesterday. Everything is fine now and I just have to learn to go with the flow of everything. The TESE is scheduled for the 22nd and the consult is scheduled with the urologist on the 10th. Can anyone tell me how long the down time usually is after the TESE? The clinic said he should be down for the day after the procedure and thats it but I'm wondering if this was true for everyones DH.

 

[Deb111]

When hubby had his first sperm retrieval on the NHS, he was told as he was having the op on a Thursday, that he'd be fine to return to work on the Monday - BUT no way was he ready to! He spent at least 5 days in bed - BUT he was in a lot of pain straight after the procedure and could barely walk, whereas the other 3 men who had the same op on the same day, walked out 2 hours before him looking like nothing had happened - so I guess everyone's different.

However, when he had his much more invasive mTESE privately, he had NO pain whatsoever from the minute he woke up and whilst he took a few days off work because his job is quite physical, he could have easily gone back the next day otherwise.

 

[MrsC8776]

Thanks Deb, I appreciate you sharing that info. Sorry to hear the your DH was in so much pain after the first one.

I'm thinking some good boxer briefs, a bag of peas, and lots of rest then he should be ok. I do feel bad for him that he has to go through this but he is strong and I know he will be ok. Plus with IVF I will get my fair share of shots. In the end I think we will both be much stronger.

 

[Deb111]

I don't think I explained it properly - the pain he had was more in his abdomen from the pulling they said they'd been doing, but also he is overweight and they give them a 'one size' jock strap, which clearly was too tight and putting pressure on his abdomen area - it eased a lot once he was able to take that off. He also got very constipated from the painkillers, which again, made his abdomen very uncomfortable. I also think the fact that we did not have ogod news with this procedure made his recovery harder.

Youd dh will need a tight fitting, supportive pair of briefs after the procedure and maybe for a few days, just to give him some support. I'm sure he will be fine

 

[raelynn]

Step Mummy - I do temp but sometimes it isn't so helpful if I end up having an annovulatory cycle. I haven't had one so far but they're common with PCOS.

My spotting actually stopped today so I guess AF is stilling holding off. No worries though because every extra day gets us closer to that 3 month mark we're shooting for.

MrsC - I tried to keep hubby on bed rest for as long as possible after his TESE. He stayed in bed for about 2 days before he got bored and started wandering about the house. After 4 he was doing stairs and such with no problem (just taking things a little slower). He was feeling fine soon after the problem was trying to keep him from doing too much too fast so he had a chance to heal! I also bought 2 of those hot/cold gel packs and froze them so I could rotate them every 30 min.

 

[Soili]

Hi guys! I just wanted to pop in quickly and see if anyone here had similar SA results. Because I'm having hard time finding anyone in the same situation on BnB... And this appears to be the only active thread discussing male factor.

The count was great, 46 million per ml, but 0 motility and 0 morphology. DH's being refered to andrologist and will go for second SA. But in the meantime it was Ob/gyn who read the results and it seemed pretty clear to me that she didn't know how to properly read the whole panel. She insisted that it was likely due to radiation treatment DH had about 20 years years ago. But it doesn't match my research at all. Radiation usually has short-term effect. Long-term would have affected the count as well and apparently it's not the issue. Besides at the time, DH was assured that since the treatment was local, it would have no affect on fertility. I so regret not asking for a copy of results... Having researched it for 3 days only, I think I know more on the subject than she did, but I need more details...

Anyone? Or maybe if you know someone on the board who got similar result? Even if it was one-time fluke (that's what we're hoping for anyway).

 

[deafgal01]

I wish I knew of what to say or do to help you but I haven't been in that situation. Since there's sperms, you're still in luck so don't give up. I think though things can be adjusted to increase the motility and morphology, but I'm not an expert in that. Maybe one of the other ladies here will be more helpful than I can be.

 

[rdleela]

Soili, I can't help you either, sorry! But I did just want to say that I, also, research the CRAP out of all of DH's test results...I get a copy of each one and just google everything...that's why you think I'm sounding like a Dr., Sinas! Our GP keeps telling me he wants to hire me, lol. I love the power of knowledge, and I think it's why I've gotten so far so fast, wouldn't have found our surgeon if I hadn't been researching. So anyways, you go, girl, keep researching! Keep the Dr.'s on their toes!

 

[SunUp]

I love https://scholar.google.com/ and similar sites, I am always looking for more information, however a lot of sites have some inaccurate information - so I always look for respectable sources of information.

 

[silverbell]

Hi ladies. Just wanted to report I got another early AF this cycle. Hoping Progesterone will enable me to have a half decent luteal phase.

Hope everybody is good.

 

[Stinas]

silverbell - Im sorry!!

Soili - i wish I could help, but im pretty new to all this still....but like the other ladies said...you still have sperm, so thats a pretty big plus. If this is his first SA, there is a possibility it could change...and even if it does not, they could put him on some meds for a few months.

 

[deafgal01]

Oh SB No... That sucks.

Dr confirmed high blood pressure so DH got another medicine to take. Poor guy. I joked that he needs to ask for duct tape next time when the dr wants to prescribe more medicine. He's literally falling apart on me.

 

[rdleela]

Hi ladies. Just wanted to report I got another early AF this cycle. Hoping Progesterone will enable me to have a half decent luteal phase.

Hey, Silverbell, so sorry AF got you!
I also have a short luteal phase, bang on 9 days every month. I tried progesterone (prometrium) as vaginal suppositories back when we were still TTC, for two cycles. It worked awesome!! Started them on 3dpo and they kept AF away until I stopped taking them on 14dpo (neg tests, of course), and then it took 2 days for AF to arrive, so I went to 16dpo both those cycles, and if there would have been sperm (wish I would have known!), implantation would have had more time to successfully happen. So hopefully they work for you, too! But be warned, OMG, they give you serious pregnancy symptoms...I will def be using progesterone again!