Struggling with female factor infertility

[NDurham12]

Thanks NDurham - the herbs at this stage were supposed to actually help the lining shed etc. so it doesn't make much sense that they'd have the exact opposite effect We'll see what happens. I wouldn't mind if this was my AF for this month (a wacky period every few years is not a big deal), the only weird thing is that my boobs are still sore, which always goes away after AF is here. I took a second pregnancy test this morning though and it's still negative. My acupuncturist said that the herbs can take 3-4 months to regulate a cycle, and that 'irregular bleeding' is not unheard of. Except this was when my AF was supposed to come. But I've stopped the herbs for now and will not be starting them again until I get a full AF.

If you're currently taking herbs and progesterone suppositories, be sure to ask your doctor if it's ok to take them together. I know most times they say not to mix herbs with hormones. I've only done acupuncture twice (this week will be my third session) and it's mostly been good to help me relax. I think it may be too early to see other changes.

Pirate- if you mean the horrible 'monster' AF you just had, I really hope the same doesn't happen to me . It's the last thing I need. I hate the limbo too

So my naturopath dr perscribed me the following:
1. Naturaly Pure Lymphatic Care - Herbal Supplement (3 caps)
2. Chi's Enterprise - Myomin - Herb Blend - 1000mg (2 caps) 2xday
i. Astragalus Membranaceus, Curcuma Zedoaria, Cyperus Rotundas
• Metabolize excess estrogen
• Inhibit aromatase
• Balance excess hormone levels and help normalize hormonal systems
• From <https://www.amazon.com/Chis-Enterprise-Myomin/dp/B00AAH403G>
3. Chi's Enterprise - Angiostop - Sea Cucumber - 1000mg (2 caps) 2xday
• Angiostop is a broad spectrum angiogenesis and RTK inhibitor. It has three mechanisms.
• Inhibits receptor tyrosine kinases (RTKs) and angiogenesis: It blocks new blood vessel formation (angiogenesis) from abnormal growths by inhibiting four RTKs overexpressed in malignancies: vascular endothelial growth factor receptor (VEGFR), epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR), platelet-derived growth factor receptor (PDGFR) and fibroblast growth factor receptor (FGFR). RTK inhibition also leads to blocking proliferation, invasion and metastasis.
• Induces apoptosis: By inducing apoptosis, it allows the natural death of malignant cells.
• From <https://www.amazon.com/Chis-Enterprise-Angiostop-120-caps/dp/B002JFEOQU/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1404065565&sr=1-1&keywords=angiostop>
4. Chi's Enterprise - Revivin - Blend (2 caps) 2xday
i. Hemsleya chinese - 280mg
ii. Calophyllum inophllum - 210mg
iii. Sparosma ternatum - 140mg
iv. Schefflera octophylla - 70mg
Chi's Enterprise Revivin is an herbal extract of*Fritillaria Unibracteata, a flowering plant in the Liliaceae family. In Traditional Chinese Medicine,Fritillaria*is considered to have bitter, sweet, and mildly cold properties. Revivin may have an effect as a possible G1-S inhibi
From <https://healthygoods.com/chi-s-enterprise-revivin.html#>
5. Chi's Enterprise - Organic Germanium - Germantium (GE-132) - 100mg

I've been searching around and will ask about taking Chi-F too.

I had fibriods removed back in May, so these should help keep them from forming again..

 

[Christi85]

I don't even know the names of the herbs I'm taking. They're all listed on the bottles.
I'm taking the Blossom herbs (manufacturer is Evergreen) and there are Phases 1, 2, 3 and 4, a different bottle for each part of the cycle - menstrual, follicular, ovulation and luteal.
These are the only herbs I take. She also gave me a bunch of daily supplements:
-Royal jelly capsules 500mg (1/day)
-Flaxseed oil capsules 1000mg (1/day)
-L-Arginine 500mg (2/day)
-CoQ10 200mg (3/day)
-Vitamin D3 1000IU (2/day)
She also gave me wheat germ oil 385mg (3/day), but as I've gone gluten free to improve my health and digestion, I took it for 2 days and my stomach/bowels weren't very happy. So I've stopped it for now and will talk to her at our next session on Wednesday to find out if there's anything I can substitute with that's gluten free.

 

[NDurham12]

Oh I'll have to look the herbs up to see what's in them.

For the supplements I take some of those. Been wanting to add coQ10 for a few days now. Will probably add it next week. I heard about the L-araginie but haven't researche'd it yet.

 

[Christi85]

Oh I'll have to look the herbs up to see what's in them.

For the supplements I take some of those. Been wanting to add coQ10 for a few days now. Will probably add it next week. I heard about the L-araginie but haven't researche'd it yet.

Since you are working with a naturopath, ask them for their recommendations and suggested dosage. They'll know what to suggest and they will tailor the dosage to your individual case.

This is from Evergreen's website. Scroll down for the Blossom Phases 1-4:
https://www.evherbs.com/evshop/inde...art&page=shop.browse&category_id=79&Itemid=64

Unfortunately they don't seem to list the herbs contained in them. I would type them out, but they're like 10-15 herbs for each phase (x4 phases), so it would take forever and would be a very long list.
They seem to be all the traditional Chinese herbs for qi balancing, kidney toning etc.

 

[Christi85]

Ladies,
I've been very silent here for the last couple weeks, for which I apologize. There was a reason for my silence as things have been beyond crazy lately (warning - long update to follow, please read 'till the end as there are many twists and turns to the story).

In the morning of July 2, after 2 negative pregnancy tests in previous days, I decided to take one more pregnancy test (this time I switched to First Response from the test sticks). Lo and behold, it came back with an immediate and strong positive! I was in shock and couldn't believe this was happening. First ever BFP in 1,5 years of TTC. I was elated but very nervous at the same time. To add to all that, I had no OB/GYN to call, as my RE had been my OB/GYN for the past few months, but I had made the decision to walk away from her practice. It was also just days before the 4th of July long weekend, so I was at a loss. The plan I came up with was to go to a walk-in lab and pay cash for a beta to at least confirm that this was real, and after I had that confirmation, call around to make an appointment with a new OB/GYN right after the long weekend. I did that in the morning of July 3 (at an estimated 4 weeks 5 days along, based on last AF) and at the last minute, I also decided to have a progesterone test thrown in since I have a history of low progesterone.

July 4 everything was closed. But on the 5th, early in the morning, the lab emailed me my results. Beta was looking fine for 4w5d at 273, but my progesterone levels were nothing but discouraging. I tested at 7.2 when the absolute lowest should have been 9, but a lot of doctors will also tell you that 15-20 is preferable to show good possibilities of a viable pregnancy. I was very alarmed and instantly upset and having no OB/GYN yet and it being the long weekend, I panicked, thinking that I needed progesterone supplementation like yesterday. I ended up finding an urgent care clinic that was open and hubby and I drove there instantly. The doctor who saw us was not an OB/GYN but he was at least happy to prescribe some supplementation. He advised me to see an OB/GYN asap (duh!) and said that at such low progesterone numbers, I may be at a higher risk either for an ectopic or for a non viable pregnancy. I spent the rest of that weekend crying.

Monday morning I was lucky enough to find a local OB/GYN with good reviews and his staff were able to squeeze me in for a first appointment later that day. Doc gave me an early ultrasound, which confirmed the presence of an early gestational sac, thickened lining around it, in the right place etc. It all looked good, but I was only 5 weeks 2 days along at that time. He doubled the dose of my progesterone supplementation and ordered another beta and a new progesterone blood test. I heard back the next day. The beta had shot up to 2300, but the progesterone remained low at 8.3 (at least it had risen). He didn't sound too concerned over the phone, told me to keep taking my progesterone, and that the most important thing was the beta rising. He had me make another appointment for two weeks later to check for a fetus and hopefully a heartbeat.

Fast forward to today after an agonizing two weeks. 7 weeks 2 days along based on last AF. Vaginal ultrasound showed the sac had grown considerably since last time, BUT there was no sign of a fetus, anywhere. Just an empty sac. He even had me move to the other u/s machine to give me an abdominal one just to make sure, which also showed nothing. Then he gave me another vaginal one on that other machine, with the same result. Hubby was with me and we were both devastated. I never felt sure about this pregnancy, but of course I was secretly hoping that we'd get to see our baby and hear a heart beat, so seeing just the empty sac (I guess that's the same thing as a 'blighted ovum') was just heart breaking. He didn't order any new beta blood tests, but wants me to go back in a week just to make sure that there definitely is no baby in there - though at this point, he said he'd expect to see at least something today. Which I'd expect too. He wasn't too encouraged. Nevertheless, I'm going back in a week, pretty much expecting no change. I'm continuing with the progesterone just in the off chance there has been a misdiagnosis, but the u/s together with my low progesterone at the start of the pregnancy aren't good signs. So I'm expecting that my first ever pregnancy is just lost and gone. If today's diagnosis is confirmed next Monday, I will have to decide between a D&C and medication to speed up miscarriage. I've no idea what I may opt for, but right now I can't bear the thought of experiencing a miscarriage on top of everything else, so I think I may go for the D&C (even though there is risk of scarring etc. like with any abdominal surgery - however I do know of several people who had a D&C after miscarriages and went on to have healthy pregnancies later).

My feelings are mixed. I feel devastated and guilty and upset, and I just think I didn't need this right now. I'd always said I'd rather not get pregnant at all than get pregnant and deal with miscarriages etc. But oh well, at least I know I'm able to conceive and that I was right in not pursuing fertility treatment. I think I will continue with acupuncture and will start the herbs again once all this is past me and will hope for another, healthy pregnancy in the not-so-distant future. In a weird way, I feel much more powerful and reassured that I should be able to conceive again (and I now know to ask my doctor for progesterone supplementation to take right after I ovulate in each cycle, just to be sure) and hopefully this time carry a healthy full term pregnancy. At the same time, since all this is very emotionally taxing, I feel like I can't possibly keep being on the TTC journey forever, though I still want a family very badly. Driving back from the doc's office today, I was thinking that I'd maybe allow hubby and I another year or so of TTC, and if nothing has happened by then (either no new pregnancy at all, or no healthy, viable pregnancy), then we should embark on the adoption process, which would at least give us the luxury of time and not thinking about diminishing ovarian reserves etc. etc.

 

[Pirate]

I'm so sorry this is happening to you. It's just not fair.

 

[Mikihob]

Christi how devastatingly awful. I am so, so sorry. I also felt that I would rather not get pregnant than have to deal with a miscarriage. I can't imagine what you are going through. I wish I had some great advice. This is totally unfair and cruel. You just had a terrible AF and now this. We are all here for you, in whatever decision you choose. I agree, that at least you know that you CAN get pregnant and that you don't NEED fertility treatments. That in itself is a little comforting, but not nearly enough.

 

[Christi85]

Thank you so much ladies!

I am naturally quite devastated, but at the same time keeping a level head about it. There were a couple bad signs from the beginning, so I wasn't too surprised today, though of course I was heartbroken.

Mikihob- thank you! The stupid AF I had turned out to be due to the pregnancy, so at least there's an explanation. I just light-spotted brown discharge for a week straight (getting less every day until it stopped completely), so I never got a real AF after my last proper AF on 5/31. I would consider this one a pseudo-AF, as I ended up getting a BFP later that week. Of course it's good to know that natural conception is possible, but since no baby will probably come out of it (which is the goal, right?) it's not nearly good enough, like you said. And yes, life can be very unfair. I soooo need a vacation!!!

I also feel we've had so many ladies in this forum with miscarriages and ectopics in the past month (I can think of 3 off the top of my head), and now mine which is most likely a blighted ovum - we've all had our fair share. The exact same thing with a blighted ovum/empty sac also happened to a good friend of mine a couple years ago and she didn't find out until week 11 (she's in the UK and they don't do ultrasounds until week 12 there, but she started spotting, so they agreed to see her earlier). She was devastated as she wasn't prepared for this possibility at all, she had told everybody right away that she was pregnant and she was having normal pregnancy symptoms (some of which I'm having as well - since my body is still confused!). Then she went to find out it was just an empty sac and she was shocked. Lucky for her, she fell pregnant again about 6 or 8 months later and now has a 2 year old. But she also didn't have any known fertility issues, and the blighted ovum actually happened on their first month TTC, so I'd expect my case to be a little more complicated than hers... Just sayin'

 

[Hatethewait85]

Oh Christi, I am so terribly sorry to hear you are going through this. It is incredibly crappy to have your first ever BFP tainted by pain, stress, and all this unknown. Sending you massive hugs. I know it doesn't seem likely but I am hoping you get the biggest, happiest surprise next week when you go back. Maybe you're just a bit behind schedule?

Do you think it is a credit to the herbs/acupuncture? Have you talked to your acupuncturist at all about this? Mine was so sweet during my horrible, nightmare and just kept reminding me how positive it was to even have sperm meet egg and attempt to do the right thing. Sometimes it was helpful and other times I sat there thinking I would rather not have gotten pregnant at all!!! It is hard to know that if I am ever fortunate to have another pregnancy, I will spend the first several weeks stressing about all the negative possibilities and I will fail to see the beauty and joy of those early weeks! In the end though, I know that it is good to know I'm capable of doing some parts of it right it just took me awhile to get to that point consistently. I think you'll find yourself feeling the same way soon too.

My progesterone was low, too (12) so I plan to ask about that as well. Earlier today I was thinking about how much longer I can handle the emotional exhaustion of lttc, too. I decided (without talking to my hubs, so it's still up for debate) that by the time I turn 30 (will be 29 in september) I will either be pregnant or will start pursuing adoption. Sounds like we have similar feelings on that as well. Here's to sticky, perfect, in the uterus BFP for us soon!!!

I'm always here to listen to anything- if you want to cry, be mad, or just chat about this feel free to PM me. I won't pretend to know exactly how you feel, but I totally understand the feelings you are probably having. It sucks. Take care of yourself this week and make sure hubs does the same.

 

[NDurham12]

Oh my Christi85,

This is just so heart breaking. I'm so sorry. So very sorry. Wish there was something I could do to help take the pain away. Only time and prayer will do that. So take all the time you need to heal over such a loss.

 

[Christi85]

Thank you so much girls!!

Hatethewait, you were one of the girls I had in mind when I was saying that the LTTC forum has had more than its fair share of unfortunate pregnancies lately. I'm very sorry I didn't support you more during your tough times, it just so happened that I got my news at the same time (both the good and the bad ones) and I was just going crazy, one moment thinking that all would be good and the next worrying myself to death. I'm glad to see that you are starting to get over everything now.

I'm not sure I credit the pregnancy to the herbs+acupuncture as I started a few days after my assumed ovulation, but I can't help wondering if it helped with implantation. That, and the laparoscopy I had in May to remove the endometrioma cyst from my right ovary. Who knows what worked this time that hadn't worked before, and who knows what didn't work (which is what's bugging me more). I did tell my acupuncturist and she was of course very sweet. I'm going in for acupuncture tonight - at least it may give me a psychological boost. Yes, I totally hear you about adoption and putting a limit to the TTC time. This can't go on forever...At least we're still young, so there is always the possibility (at least in theory). I'm already 29 and will be 30 next March, which would have been my due date too

NDurham12, thank you so much for your kind words

 

[slg76]

I'm so sorry christi. Sending you a big hug and lots of support

I'm also nearing the end of my rope with ttc. I think I will give it 3-6 more months and if I'm not pregnant I think I'm ready to move on with my little family that I already have (one dd).

 

[Hatethewait85]

Thank you so much girls!!

Hatethewait, you were one of the girls I had in mind when I was saying that the LTTC forum has had more than its fair share of unfortunate pregnancies lately. I'm very sorry I didn't support you more during your tough times, it just so happened that I got my news at the same time (both the good and the bad ones) and I was just going crazy, one moment thinking that all would be good and the next worrying myself to death. I'm glad to see that you are starting to get over everything now.

I'm not sure I credit the pregnancy to the herbs+acupuncture as I started a few days after my assumed ovulation, but I can't help wondering if it helped with implantation. That, and the laparoscopy I had in May to remove the endometrioma cyst from my right ovary. Who knows what worked this time that hadn't worked before, and who knows what didn't work (which is what's bugging me more). I did tell my acupuncturist and she was of course very sweet. I'm going in for acupuncture tonight - at least it may give me a psychological boost. Yes, I totally hear you about adoption and putting a limit to the TTC time. This can't go on forever...At least we're still young, so there is always the possibility (at least in theory). I'm already 29 and will be 30 next March, which would have been my due date too

NDurham12, thank you so much for your kind words

No need to apologize. You were under your own kind of stress!

Yeah, it's probably hard to credit the success to herbs/acu really but maybe it is the reason things implanted like you said? I was on the herbs for about 6 weeks before I ovulated (same with hubs) and I think that had to be what worked for me. I think if I had been on the herbs longer before I got pregnant, the embryo wouldn't have gotten stuck in my tubes. Who knows. It is frustrating to not know exactly what the magic combination was. And even worse- what if it were a fluke?! Although I choose not to believe in the fluke theory.

As for the lap/cyst removal - do you know if you ovulated from your R side? If so, then maybe that was the reason things worked. They can usually tell from your ultrasound. At my first one, the u/s tech thought I ovulated from my R side (and she was right!).

So sorry to hear your EDD was on your birthday It would've been a great bday present. But look at it this way- now you get to keep that day all to yourself. I have a good feeling it won't be long before you get your next (sticky) BFP!

 

[Christi85]

Yeah, it's probably hard to credit the success to herbs/acu really but maybe it is the reason things implanted like you said? I was on the herbs for about 6 weeks before I ovulated (same with hubs) and I think that had to be what worked for me. I think if I had been on the herbs longer before I got pregnant, the embryo wouldn't have gotten stuck in my tubes. Who knows. It is frustrating to not know exactly what the magic combination was. And even worse- what if it were a fluke?! Although I choose not to believe in the fluke theory.

As for the lap/cyst removal - do you know if you ovulated from your R side? If so, then maybe that was the reason things worked. They can usually tell from your ultrasound. At my first one, the u/s tech thought I ovulated from my R side (and she was right!).

So sorry to hear your EDD was on your birthday It would've been a great bday present. But look at it this way- now you get to keep that day all to yourself. I have a good feeling it won't be long before you get your next (sticky) BFP!

I definitely think the herbs and acupuncture had something to do with it. I just wish I'd waited to start them once I got my new period instead of just a few days after ovulation, because this may not have happened. Of course it could have still happened anyway - nobody knows.

I don't believe much in flukes either. I strongly believe that most couples are able to conceive once they fix whatever problem may be stopping them. The hard part is identifying that problem and, like you said, finding the right combination of things, which is a lot like guesswork.

Hmm...not sure what side I ovulated from the month I got the BFP, but I think it was the right side based on the position of the sac (though I suppose it could have 'traveled' to the other side to implant?? ). My left ovary was always fine and cyst free, but I always had a hunch the right side was my 'good one' ovulation wise. The reason I suspect the lap might have also had something to do with it was because I'd read (and heard of) a lot of stories where women got pregnant immediately after removing an ovarian cyst etc. I never believed it could happen to me, but I guess it did.

Yeah, it would have been around my birthday and a few days before hubby's birthday (we're both March). I'm not going to think about it too too much though.

The past couple of days I've been really sad and completely void of any motivation for anything. It's hard to wait 'till Monday and it doesn't help that I'm still getting pregnancy symptoms and my tummy has grown...All common with blighted ovum, as the body doesn't catch on for up to several weeks, thinking that there is still a pregnancy going on and secreting hormones...Only to think that most likely it's just a sac I'm pregnant with at this point...
I also stumbled on a website called Misdiagnosed Miscarriages, where women tell crazy stories where they've been diagnosed with a blighted ovum, only to end up 'finding' the baby with heartbeat on week 9, week 10 or even beyond. Not sure if this is helping me or not right now, but it helped me understand that not all is lost yet - of course the chance is 90-95% in favor of the blighted ovum diagnosis. All I'm hoping for is a clear answer on Monday. If there is definitely no baby in there and it's nowhere to be seen, then I'd like to see the sac shrinking or deflating or something like that to show me that things are actually going badly. This would make the decision to terminate much easier. If my sac shows growth again and it's still healthy looking, even if there's still no baby found, I may decide to wait it out 'till week 9 at least just to be 100% sure (I'd be 8+2 on Monday based on last period). And that won't be pretty. Or easy

I too hope for sticky beans for all of us, soon! If mine is 100% confirmed as a failed pregnancy though, I'll probably have to wait 3 cycles or so to start TTCing again. Which, at this point, makes me happy, as I really need a mental break from all this.

 

[NDurham12]

Hey Christi85,
Any hope is good hope. Like my last cycle I knew there was little chance that we conceived as we only did it once on o day. But that little possibility really got me through my tww. So here's to hope!

And you....look at how far you've come. Low amh and having a lap. I'm in the same situation and for me it's so depressing. I too am taking a break because it's becoming to much. During this time I'm doing a cleanse and the 90 day egg health plan. So while I'm not actively going to ttc I won't prevent either. ... well at least after the cleanse.
Something maybe to think about as you Let your body heal.

 

[Mikihob]

Christi I totally hear your lack of motivation. I am trying to build a home business, it's up now, but adding products and maintenance on it, I haven't done much the last couple of weeks. I just can't seem to shake this lack of motivation/sadness/worry...etc.

I hope you are doing ok. I agree, if the sac is still growing and looking healthy I would wait just to be sure. Stranger things have happened. I hope it's a baby, I really do. We are here with you through it all, if it's bad news. We are here.

 

[Hatethewait85]

I think it's a good idea to wait until 9 weeks if things keep growing just for your peace of mind if nothing else. I read a lot of hopeful stories about 'they thought it was ectopic but I just kept waiting and then they found it in my uterus!' too. I hope you get to be on the winning side of those stories though. If it is a BO, will you have to wait 3 cycles because of the D&C?

I would ask when you go in next week if they can tell what side you ovulated from. I think it would be interesting to know! I have never had a 'hunch' about which side is better but now, I'm really hoping it's my left side

I can understand the sadness and lack of motivation, too. Make sure to take some time this weekend to spoil yourself and relax. You can always go out and buy a new car like we did- it was definitely a good distraction!

 

[slg76]

I went through a similar situation last year. The end result was a D&E when I was 9 1/2 weeks along but the baby never developed past 6 weeks. I had several ultrasounds to be very sure of the diagnosis but after 7 1/2 weeks there wasn't really any doubt. The sac started to be less round and started to shrink. I waited a few weeks to mc naturally but my body never figured it out.

I hope that you have a different outcome! I think you will know what to do if/when the time comes. I'm so sorry that you have to go through all this waiting and uncertainty. It is an awful and helpless feeling.

 

[Christi85]

Thank you all so much for your support!

NDurham12 - I may want to know more about this 90 day egg health plan. If it is confirmed to be a blighted ovum, it is usually due to something going wrong with the chromosomes blending. I can't get it out of my head that it may have been a bad egg of mine that caused the problem (since we know hubby's sperm was good, and actually his morphology was in the 'excellent' range), though there's no point blaming myself. But if I end up losing this pregnancy, I definitely want to have the healthiest eggs possible next time around!!
Best of luck to you with your plan - sounds like a great idea!

Mikihob - I too am self employed and the irony is that July has been super busy for me with orders. Normally I'd be 'flying' to prepare them all, but all I can do right now is drag my feet and do little bits of work every day. I've notified my customers that there may be delays due to it being a very busy season and most are understanding, which is amazing. Of course I'm not telling them the real reason things are taking longer. Hubby has decided he's coming with me on Monday (two sets of eyes are better than one and I'm feeling very vulnerable, while he's more level headed and ready to 'fight' if need be). If things are still growing, we will most likely want more testing done. I'm thinking I may even seek out a different facility, maybe one with high def u/s machines just to get a second opinion. Again, for peace of mind.

Hatethewait - You very clearly made the right choice, especially since you ended up having a ruptured tube, so you know it was ectopic. And with ectopic being a potentially life threatening condition, I would be much more cautious. I think you made your decision based on what was best for you, and at least your diagnosis turned out to be right, which is good news in a sh**ty situation.

Yes, I think that's what most doctors advise after a D&C or miscarriage: waiting 2-3 cycles before TTCing again. Not sure why exactly, but I would think to give the body plenty of time to heal and the lining time to build up again and be healthy. More as a safety measure, I guess. I hear that a lot of women are extra fertile after a D&C, but not everyone's body is immediately ready for a new pregnancy, so many of those end up failing again. So I think I'd rather play it safe - plus I do need a break.

Haha, I wish we could buy a car too, but we'll probably have to make do with smaller treats

sIg - these situations suck. I'm sorry you had to go through this, but I'm glad you didn't make hasty decisions and you knew your baby had died before you terminated the pregnancy. I've heard of women who have been told the baby had stopped growing and they were taken in for a D&C the same day, after just one u/s. Probably nothing would have changed, but strange things do happen sometimes, and it's a big shame to at least not confirm the diagnosis with additional testing and not repeat the u/s at least once for peace of mind and clarity. I'm really not feeling I will have a different outcome, so I would actually love to see signs that the sac is shrinking or deflating, as this would be a very strong confirmation of the diagnosis and would leave almost no doubt. Of course I can still hope for a miracle, so we'll see what happens. Not too long now...

 

[slg76]

christi,
Don't let the Dr. push you into anything. Even if it's not a viable pregnancy it won't hurt anything to leave things alone for a few weeks if that is what will make you feel the best (or the least bad?). You don't even have to have a D&C at all. Your body will eventually take care of it on its own if need be.

I read your comment above about worrying if you had a bad egg. Not sure if this helps but I do have a PhD in Genetics/Microbiology so...
Coming from somebody who knows genetics....there is no real reason to think that you had a "bad" egg. We all make good and bad eggs and sperm. Just because your husband's sperm had good morphology doesn't mean that every single sperm is good genetically. And, even if you had a perfect egg and a perfect sperm, the process of joining the two is extremely complicated and often times something just doesn't go quite right. This is why healthy couples have miscarriages all the time.

Coming from me, the woman who can't conceive another child and had a miscarriage.....Sometimes I feel like I had a bad egg. There are days where my logical mind just can't convince my heart otherwise Last month I started taking DHEA in hopes of improving egg quality. In some cases these supplements don't change the eggs per say, but they improve the environment in the ovary so the egg is more protected once it's released.

Hang in there. I know time must be moving so slowly for you right now.