Dealing with azoospermia?

Is TESE a biopsy ? Yesterday I think they did TESA with help of needle. So what I read so according to my knowledge if through TESA they take one section so on the basis of that section results we cant say its not producing sperms. Like there are various areas where there are sperms in some pockets and some not. Plus through TESE they look at a big pic rather than small portion . And dont know why they sent it to histology department whether is there any hope of good news from there or we shouldnt hope further . Totally devastated now we are looking at sperm hope , dr R and dr turk clinic options after our next appointment on 12th march. Is there anyone here who didnt find sperm in first ssr TESA but later on found something through other route ? Sorry I am asking too much like a crazy person , its been 2 years this month since we are figting with azoospermia . Since yesterday I cried too much that now I have pain in my eyes.
 
Hi ladies! It seems like forever since I last visited. I had a very hard time following my miscarriage. But I am happy to say we tried again, and two days before Christmas found out we are pregnant! I am currently at the doctor for my down syndrome test. I am 12 1/2 weeks pregnant. I honestly never thought I would see the day. Just goes to show don't ever give up on your dreams. I can't thank all of you amazing women for seeing me through the hardest two years of my life. You were always there to comfort me and encourage me and at times were the only ones who understood how I was feeling. You all are my angels on earth. I just want you to know that. I pray for all women struggling with infertility, especially my azoo girls. God bless xoxo
 
Is TESE a biopsy ? Yesterday I think they did TESA with help of needle. So what I read so according to my knowledge if through TESA they take one section so on the basis of that section results we cant say its not producing sperms. Like there are various areas where there are sperms in some pockets and some not. Plus through TESE they look at a big pic rather than small portion . And dont know why they sent it to histology department whether is there any hope of good news from there or we shouldnt hope further . Totally devastated now we are looking at sperm hope , dr R and dr turk clinic options after our next appointment on 12th march. Is there anyone here who didnt find sperm in first ssr TESA but later on found something through other route ? Sorry I am asking too much like a crazy person , its been 2 years this month since we are figting with azoospermia . Since yesterday I cried too much that now I have pain in my eyes.

We didnt find anything in a fna..im not sure how that differs from a tesa. But we found sperm in each of our 3mtese which is a focussed form of tese. I believe mtese is ur best bet.

Congrats Gem
 
Congrats Gem, amazing news!

Tulip, I'm so sorry you've been dealt another blow...I hope you find some answers! Xoxo
 
Gem - CONGRATULATIONS :wohoo: ... your post brought tears to my eyes. I am very happy for you :kiss:
 
Congrats Gem. This is excellent news. Wish you a healthy pregnancy ahead.


Tulip: sorry we went straight for MTese.
 
Hello ladies, 'oldie' here! It's always sad to see new people join the group, but you will find no better support & advice on Azoo anywhere else. Without this group I wouldn't have my 9 month old madam crawling around in front of me right now.
It's lovely to see happy & hopeful posts, too... Keeping everything crossed for everyone!
Tulip, we had an IVF cycle under the NHS which involved a TESE. It was basically surgery to look for sperm, more invasive than a biopsy - so much so that there was significant scar tissue that may affect our chances of another mTESE, which leads me onto Dr Ramsay (whom I wish we'd gone straight too!). Thanks to Deb, we went to see Mr Ramsay who really has an understanding of this condition. Like others here we had a synchronised IVF cycle (mTESE & egg retrieval on the same day). The mTESE is much more accurate & with less damage (I believe). If you want to continue down this route, it might be worth talking to Mr Ramsay. Good luck!
Sending love & hugs to all... Keep hoping!!
C xx
 
Thanks everyone you guys are great. Tbh I cant tell you guys how completely we both get shattered. Idk whether the sample sent tk histology lab brings what sort of information on the basis of which they can discuss further on 12th March. I think I will cry forever :'( :'( :'( I imagined so many things when they first said sample is good that one hour would be the best time of my life bt after then what we came to know made us fall into tears. Now I dont have any hope of ever to be a mother in future :'( All the dreams which i had are gone .

there are several questions going in my mind. Like the procedure they done is all with the help of aspiration ( needle) so if i am not wrong is this what we call TESA and i think so this is different from TESE which is a biopsy right .
 
My DH goes for TESE on March 20th. We've been given a 60% chance of finding sperm. Doc seems really confident, but can't promise anything (obv). He's been on anastrozole for 2 months, and his testosterone has jumped from 444 to over 1200, which is why the doc is so confident. But the surgery will be difficult, and my DH has a hematocele (blood accumulation in his scrotum from a ingunial hernia repair in August). So the doc said it will be technically more difficult, but it isn't stopping him. I am a little confused between TESA, TESE, and mTESE as well. I know TESA wasn't an option. Doc said we needed to do TESE. TESA is less expensive ($6,500), TESE was $7,500. So we paid the $7,500. But why wasn't mTESE an option? That wasn't even an option on our paperwork. Maybe he is doing mTESE (microdissection) but not calling it that? He said he is going to go into his dropped testicle, and the undescended testicle in his abdomen to look for sperm too. I don't know why he would do that, as you'd think that testicle is dead, but he seems to want to look there too. All so confusing!
 
Gem!!!!!! Congrats!!! :happydance:

You are so right! All of these azoo sisters are angels on earth!!! I wouldn't have my two little sweet babies today without the support and encouragement of all the girls on here!!! LOVE each and every one of you!!!

To those still in wait and along their journeys, my heart and prayers are with you all!!! :hugs: :hugs: :hugs:

Hope all is well with everyone!
 
Hi all,

I have visited this page so many times looking for hope when I need it most. I know it is an older blog, but I just really need to be able to talk about this with someone who understands what I am going through.
My husband and I have been married for just over 4 years and have never tried to prevent pregnancy. We weren't necessarily trying, but we weren't trying to prevent it either. Well, after 2 years of never getting pregnant, we decided to seek medical advice. My gyno totally checked me out and ran tests and said everything looks good. She then advised us to get my hubby checked, beginning with an SA. We got the results, which were...NO sperm. We were both completely shocked. My gyno then recommended us to a urologist. We went to him and he had him do another SA.....with the same results. Zero sperm. I of course immediately went online and found so much terrible information about this. We were both crushed, but I don't believe we really fully expressed our heartache to each other. I didn't want to make him feel any worse than he already did (even though it is NOT his fault) and I don't know that he really want to admit just how bad he felt. My husband had leukemia as a child, had radiation and chemo and was healed of it within a couple of months. The urologist pretty much just blamed it (azoospermia) on the leukemia and told us we should just either adopt or use a sperm donor...instead of even trying to look into it. It was as if he didn't even want to bother with us. Hearing that felt like he just ripped my heart out. We were NOT satisfied with that so we told my gyno about our experience and she apologized. I began reading about azoospermia and saw there are two kinds...obstructive and non obstructive. I, of course, hoped for the best and began looking up urologists with good reviews and found one, who at one point was mentioned on the show “The Doctors”, which we took as a great sign. We went for a consultation and brought all information we had so far. We talked to the urologist, who really seemed to know what he was doing/talking about and advised us that since my husband was so young when he had treatment, it shouldn’t have affected him. He said if he had been older once things had already developed, maybe…but he really didn’t believe it would be the culprit. He had us do another SA and it turns out…still zero sperm. He said he wanted to do a TB to look for sperm…then we would go from there. He mentioned the possibility of IVF and egg freezing, but didn’t go into too much detail because he said he wanted to do the biopsy first. This was the summer of 2013. I called the office to get a biopsy schedule and they never answered or returned my call and I left several messages. I couldn’t help but feel it was blocked for a reason. It is now March of 2015 and still no baby and no pregnancy. My sisters have had several children, friends have had several children and my husband and I are just sitting here waiting and wondering. We really haven’t had great experiences with urologists and I have read about reproductive endocrinologists and I just don’t know which way we should turn. We want someone who will try everything possible, but haven’t had that yet. It is so devastating when we hear of a relative or friend getting pregnant. Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled for them because that is so exciting for them. But it is heartbreaking that we are still waiting. And then I feel so bad about getting upset that they’re pregnant but I just can’t help it. I am a Christian and firmly believe God has perfect timing…which is honestly the reason we had just stopped pursuing help. But now that it has been over 4 years, I can’t help but wonder if we are [supposed] to get help before we will get pregnant. Not that God can’t do it because I know nothing is impossible for Him…but maybe this is just part of His plan..? I have read so many miraculous stories about couples in which the husband has azoo and they still end up getting pregnant. At times, I feel like all azoo wives can agree, you just can’t help but wonder if it will ever happen. In the beginning, I used to be an avid poas girl…I mean every month. But the disappointment with each BFN never lessened with any of them so I finally stopped because I just couldn’t take the heartache of seeing that negative. I would always hold it up to the light to make sure there wasn’t a “faint second line” but there never was. After all of this time of [anxiously] waiting, I just feel so emotionally exhausted and finally decided to post this. For the most part, I can feel it in my bones it is only a matter of time…but then sometimes, it just feels so far from reality and that really hurts. I was 2 weeks late February and was almost convinced I was pg. It seemed like I was having so many symptoms and almost convinced myself of it but was too afraid to take a test and see a BFN…then literally the day I got in the car to drive to the store to buy a test, I couldn’t even get to the main road because of a bad snow storm that was starting so I had to turn back around and go home. I went in to use the bathroom and sure enough…there was the dreaded AF. I have had slight but noticeable cramping since then and have been so tired (maybe I’m simply not getting enough sleep but can’t explain the cramping after a period because I have never done that before) so I decided to take a test anyway because I have heard of having bleeding like a period while pregnant and I just couldn’t shake the feeling that I might be pg. BFN. I held it up to the light to check for that faint second line and it wasn’t there. I took another test just to make sure the next day…another negative. I hadn’t taken a test in almost 2 years so it took so much courage to do it again…and felt just as bad to see that one line as it used to. Over the years, we have purchased so much baby stuff so we have a room full of it...and some days, I just want to go in there and give it all away because it can be so hard see. :sad1:
 
Hi longing to be mom. Sorry to hear about your story. Hopefully you will find the support you are looking for. I for one would not have survived without the support from the lovely ladies here. Why don't you follow up with the urologist again ?
 
I agree, follow-up with urologist. The only way to know for sure if there is no chance with dH sperm is to do the mtese. And if none then you guys can discuss donor sperm. it's a hard thing to decide but I think a second visit to the urologist will help you. Unfortunately the chemo probably did cause it and there isn't anything that can reverse it. But the mtese biopsy can see if he is making any even if it's just one. Good luck in your next steps.

I had my hysteroscopy last week. All was fine. Waiting for AF now so I can do a natural Fet with 2 of the 5 frosties. So far I'm late on ovulation (should have happened yesterday) which is no surprise since of the early mc last cycle.
 
Hi Longingtobeamom - I am sorry you have had to make your way over here ... but the support in this forum is amazing!
I agree with what MoBaby says :hugs:
 
Hi
today we had a appointment and histology results came back and showed my hubby has sertoli cell syndrome. Our dr said we will carry out microTESE and he showed us that in 46% patients with sertoli cell only syndrome found sperms. My husband fsh is 11. Other hormones are okay. Is there anyone out here who found sperm with such case ?
 
Yes tulip we found Sperms. Doc said we were extremely lucky.
 
DH had his mTESE today. They didn't find anything. They did a bilateral dissection and fixed the hematoma he had from his hernia repair earlier this year. I CAN'T believe they didn't find any sperm. How can this be? His urologist was so confident and hopeful. He said the embryologists will look through the tissue once more tomorrow, but only 7% chance sperm is found the 2nd day. He even said the tissue looked great. I'm so devestated. The drive home was hell. My husband was put under for 2 1/2 hours, so he's throwing up from the anesthesia. We've been open and honest about this whole thing with our family and friends, and now i wish we hadnt. We're supposed to start ivf cycle in April, but looks like we'll cancel that. Get our 12k back and do iui with donor sperm. But i don't think we want our friends to know were using donor sperm. So do we lie and tell them they did find sperm and just do iui in April? My husband never wanted anyone to know anything, it was more me not being able to keep my mouth shut. But i dont think i want anyone to know were using donor sperm either. Im so sick and tired. Ive been crying all day, but trying to stay strong for my husband who is prob feeling really bad about this whole thing. What do i do??
 
So sorry for the news :( sounds like you have accepted the donor sperm route. I would tell your friends what you want others to know because friends talk. To others. So i would say be wise with who you choose to tell. Otherwise just tell them everything is all set to go so treatment starts in April. They don't have to know the details; just you are good to go.
 

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