Life after Loss Support Group........All Welcome :)

[dnlfinker]

Helen - I owe you a big appology for brining the topic of autism
into the forum. I promise that at the time i was writing it ,
I didnt remember. I would not bring the topic up otherwise.About the dream-
after we lost Emmunah , I had a lot of bad dreams. MOst of them were that
my 2 year old daughter was being lost/stollen from us.When we went away
last month , it did help me and the dreams are not comming anymore


Blav- I am glad that the baby and the rest of the gang is doing alright. Its
natural for women to feel that way especially after a loss. Please dont blame
yoursef that you are bad!


kiki04- THank you for your input about MMR, I will def read the
link that you gave me.

Tanya,Mahari, Andrea and Kelly - HOw are you guys doing . You are staying awfully quet?


Erica- Welcome back! Being tired all the time is a good sign! I
promise you one thing: if you sign in here more often, you will not fall
asleep, especially with this gang .so many things go on here , its hard
to keep up sometimes !


Nikki- How are you doing these days?

Kelly - I am hoping that today is a better day for you and it
will stay like that . IN the words of Kelly "Keep on smiling"


As for me: I am all talked out from yesterday


Wishing everybody the best

Nat

 

[Andypanda6570]

Helen - I owe you a big appology for brining the topic of autism
into the forum. I promise that at the time i was writing it ,
I didnt remember. I would not bring the topic up otherwise.About the dream-
after we lost Emmunah , I had a lot of bad dreams. MOst of them were that
my 2 year old daughter was being lost/stollen from us.When we went away
last month , it did help me and the dreams are not comming anymore


Blav- I am glad that the baby and the rest of the gang is doing alright. Its
natural for women to feel that way especially after a loss. Please dont blame
yoursef that you are bad!


kiki04- THank you for your input about MMR, I will def read the
link that you gave me.

Tanya,Mahari, Andrea and Kelly - HOw are you guys doing . You are staying awfully quet?


Erica- Welcome back! Being tired all the time is a good sign! I
promise you one thing: if you sign in here more often, you will not fall
asleep, especially with this gang .so many things go on here , its hard
to keep up sometimes !


Nikki- How are you doing these days?

Kelly - I am hoping that today is a better day for you and it
will stay like that . IN the words of Kelly "Keep on smiling"


As for me: I am all talked out from yesterday


Wishing everybody the best

Nat

LOL..I posted a couple of pages back to you about the MMR, go find it

 

[dnlfinker]

THank you Andrea and everybody else! I read all of your comments!

 

[dnlfinker]

hi , I have read the article and came across another one:

NOTE: DELETED BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS ARTICLE!

 

[Nikki_d72]

OH I am so glad they are ok!!!!

As for the MMR- I have done ALOT of research on vaccines. My 2 oldest had the normal vax schedule but then I got wise. My daughter has only had 1 vax and I believe it was at 18 months We were going to do the delayed vax schedule but then decided not to even do it. The correlation between the MMR and autism, is being stated that it is about the TIMING of it... Around the age of 12 months is a time of massive brain development. By influencing the childs system by putting a foreign substance in to interrupt the natural rhythm is how it is being questioned about the development of autism. Alot of ppl do a delayed vax schedule and put off the MMR until 18-24 months. This is very common actually.. well in Canada and the USA anyways.

Also if you research the amount of vax from say 1980 to the amount of vax to now the numbers have grown in astounding and disgusting amounts There is just too much now and it is becoming a matter of do the pros outweigh the cons anymore???

If you read the link below it is a study about vax vs unvax people and how healthy they are. It shows that VAX people are actually more prone to developing many diseases later in life.

https://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/14/big-study-vaccinated-kids-2-5-more-diseases-than-unvaccinated/

There are just WAY too many unknown chemicals and foreign substances in those damn vax now days I dont trust them. They say mercury has been "outlaw'd" yet many of the current vax still contain mercury!!!

So after my long winded note.... if you are worried about the MMR... delaying it to 18-24 months does reduce the risk

EDITED TO REMOVE REFERENCE TO ARTICLE and My comments regarding...

I think you can find scare-stories about almost anything on the net, unfortunately. I would say check the references on anything you read to make sure claims are substantiated before you worry yourself sick. It's a decision that needs to be yours. It needs to be a well-considered choice, yes, but by wieghing up facts - anyone can claim anything but it needs to be proven in my eyes before it should be given consideration, or at least strongly linked and referenced. That's my 2-cents.

I found the name of the guy who caused the MMR scandal as well, it was Dr Andrew Wakefield - shamefully he was a british trainee gut specialist at the time but has since been deleted from the medical register and his original fraudulent paper was withdrawn form the Lancet. Unfortunately the doco I was talking about is not available to view outwith the UK due to copywright but a google will reveal it's content in text, it was also featured in a broadsheet newspaper and the journalist won a pulritzer prize for the investigation.

Like I said I think this is too emotive a subject for this forum but I wanted to put that forward to try to keep the balance so as not to worry anyone who has other children or is carrying their rainbows now.

HTH xxx

ETA: Nat, I was going to just delete all of this, but as we have discussed Vax's generally and Kiki has posted the other link I've left that wee bit in as think it's still relevant. Hope that's OK, let me know if you want me to remove it. xx

 

[dnlfinker]

Nikki can you please delete the link in your quoted text, I couldnt agree more with you that it shoudl not be on here so I deleted my previous message!


Thanks

 

[mhazzab]

Tanya,Mahari, Andrea and Kelly - HOw are you guys doing . You are staying awfully quet?

Nat

Hi Nat,

I'm fine... can't always keep up with this thread to post, but I do always read!
I'm 11 weeks tomorrow, my scan is on 19th December and I am so nervous. Still feeling sick& tired but it's getting a bit better...of course I don't care as long as my little one is growing. I'm just terrified that I am going to go into the scan and something will be wrong. This is so stressful!

Still depressed about Christmas coming,,,problem is, I love Christmas, so sometimes I get excited that it's coming, and then I realise I have to have it without my beautiful girls and my parents and I get sad again. Roll on next year, hope its a good one for all of us!

Hope everyone else is well...I'm just heading to bed now so don't have time to post individual replies to other messages sorry! xxxx

 

[Nikki_d72]

Hey Nat - OK, I've deleted that and my comments about it but I've left my general comment on there about referencing articles, I hope that's OK, as we have discussed vax's generally so think it's still relevant.

I also think that most of us trawl the net looking for answers to many things, including trying to find reasons for our losses (I know I did, exhaustively) and in our vulnerable state may get sucked into many articles, some of which are not helpful, so I think finding ways to recognise the good from the bad, the factual from the fictional is no bad idea in general. I've tried to "train" myself to recognise those with no relevant references as having no real basis and tend to discard them - that goes for all things that should be based on fact for me.

Sorry hon, wasn't having a go at you at all, I just hate the idea of vulnerable people having ideas put in their heads by inaccurate articles and the worldwide MMR scandal is a great example - despite Andrew wakefield being struck off for his fraudulent research last year still the myth he expounded persists. "No smoke without fire" I think is the human reaction so common. I do beleive in questioning everything though, you are right to question!

Anyway, I'll shut up about it now!
xxx

 

[dnlfinker]

OH I am so glad they are ok!!!!

As for the MMR- I have done ALOT of research on vaccines. My 2 oldest had the normal vax schedule but then I got wise. My daughter has only had 1 vax and I believe it was at 18 months We were going to do the delayed vax schedule but then decided not to even do it. The correlation between the MMR and autism, is being stated that it is about the TIMING of it... Around the age of 12 months is a time of massive brain development. By influencing the childs system by putting a foreign substance in to interrupt the natural rhythm is how it is being questioned about the development of autism. Alot of ppl do a delayed vax schedule and put off the MMR until 18-24 months. This is very common actually.. well in Canada and the USA anyways.

Also if you research the amount of vax from say 1980 to the amount of vax to now the numbers have grown in astounding and disgusting amounts There is just too much now and it is becoming a matter of do the pros outweigh the cons anymore???

If you read the link below it is a study about vax vs unvax people and how healthy they are. It shows that VAX people are actually more prone to developing many diseases later in life.

https://healthfreedoms.org/2011/10/14/big-study-vaccinated-kids-2-5-more-diseases-than-unvaccinated/

There are just WAY too many unknown chemicals and foreign substances in those damn vax now days I dont trust them. They say mercury has been "outlaw'd" yet many of the current vax still contain mercury!!!

So after my long winded note.... if you are worried about the MMR... delaying it to 18-24 months does reduce the risk

EDITED TO REMOVE REFERENCE TO ARTICLE and My comments regarding...

I think you can find scare-stories about almost anything on the net, unfortunately. I would say check the references on anything you read to make sure claims are substantiated before you worry yourself sick. It's a decision that needs to be yours. It needs to be a well-considered choice, yes, but by wieghing up facts - anyone can claim anything but it needs to be proven in my eyes before it should be given consideration, or at least strongly linked and referenced. That's my 2-cents.

I found the name of the guy who caused the MMR scandal as well, it was Dr Andrew Wakefield - shamefully he was a british trainee gut specialist at the time but has since been deleted from the medical register and his original fraudulent paper was withdrawn form the Lancet. Unfortunately the doco I was talking about is not available to view outwith the UK due to copywright but a google will reveal it's content in text, it was also featured in a broadsheet newspaper and the journalist won a pulritzer prize for the investigation.

Like I said I think this is too emotive a subject for this forum but I wanted to put that forward to try to keep the balance so as not to worry anyone who has other children or is carrying their rainbows now.

HTH xxx

ETA: Nat, I was going to just delete all of this, but as we have discussed Vax's generally and Kiki has posted the other link I've left that wee bit in as think it's still relevant. Hope that's OK, let me know if you want me to remove it. xx

Thanks Nikki, You did not have to delete the comments just the link! THank you for poiting it out to me , it makes a lot of sense! We dont want to hurt anybody by this information

THank you THank You!

 

[Bride2b]

Gotta have another rant this evening!!!!!!! I am so fucking annoyed with those fucking bloody emails about you are 19 weeks pregnant! Merry fucking christmas to you and your bump! What to expect at week 20 of your fucking pregnancy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many shitty companies do these people give your email address to when you sign up to a few of the baby/pregnancy things like Bounty/Huggies??????
I've spend the last week unsubscribing to every bloody company yet they still keep on coming. I feel like emailing them back and telling them that I am not pregnant anymore and that they are insensitive arseholes...........

AHHHHH feel better now!

ps Pardon my french! But think this website should invent a wanker smilie!

 

[Nikki_d72]

Gotta have another rant this evening!!!!!!! I am so fucking annoyed with those fucking bloody emails about you are 19 weeks pregnant! Merry fucking christmas to you and your bump! What to expect at week 20 of your fucking pregnancy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many shitty companies do these people give your email address to when you sign up to a few of the baby/pregnancy things like Bounty/Huggies??????
I've spend the last week unsubscribing to every bloody company yet they still keep on coming. I feel like emailing them back and telling them that I am not pregnant anymore and that they are insensitive arseholes...........

AHHHHH feel better now!

ps Pardon my french! But think this website should invent a wanker smilie!

Aw so sorry honey, those emails are a killer! That's bad if the bounty folk sell on your details like that! Hopefully if you unsubscribe and also mark them as junk in your email folder they should get scrubbed for you.

I love the idea of a wanker smilie!! hahaha, getting visions of it now! Well we've got a sex one so why not??!! Hehe. Dickhead one might be quite good too lol.

Hope you get rid of them soon. xxx

 

[mhazzab]

Gotta have another rant this evening!!!!!!! I am so fucking annoyed with those fucking bloody emails about you are 19 weeks pregnant! Merry fucking christmas to you and your bump! What to expect at week 20 of your fucking pregnancy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many shitty companies do these people give your email address to when you sign up to a few of the baby/pregnancy things like Bounty/Huggies??????
I've spend the last week unsubscribing to every bloody company yet they still keep on coming. I feel like emailing them back and telling them that I am not pregnant anymore and that they are insensitive arseholes...........

AHHHHH feel better now!

ps Pardon my french! But think this website should invent a wanker smilie!

Aw so sorry honey, those emails are a killer! That's bad if the bounty folk sell on your details like that! Hopefully if you unsubscribe and also mark them as junk in your email folder they should get scrubbed for you.

I love the idea of a wanker smilie!! hahaha, getting visions of it now! Well we've got a sex one so why not??!! Hehe. Dickhead one might be quite good too lol.

Hope you get rid of them soon. xxx

I'm still getting some of them almost six month later...it's the twin ones that kill me. There's something you can sign up to in the uk, google 'baby mailing preference service' that is supposed to stop the stuff or at least reduce it, no idea if it works though, I only discovered it when ttc again so there didn't seem much point.
Xx

 

[Nikki_d72]

Ow that's terrible Mhairi. I only signed up to one or two and it doesn't seem like my details were passed on, thankfully. That shouldn't be allowed. As I didn't know it was twins beforehand I didn't sign up for any of the twin ones - that's about the only positive from not knowing. I'm sorry you are still getting them. xxx

 

[jojo23]

hey girls just wanted to share im 12 weeks today i hope we get some other rainbow babies here soon i really have everything crossed for all of you!! im sorry for anyone whos going through a bad time at the moment, i cant imagine not having this thread to come to and voice my hopes and fears so thanks so much girls love you all loads!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[Nikki_d72]

Yay for that milestone, Jojo! xxx

 

[Andypanda6570]

hey girls just wanted to share im 12 weeks today i hope we get some other rainbow babies here soon i really have everything crossed for all of you!! im sorry for anyone whos going through a bad time at the moment, i cant imagine not having this thread to come to and voice my hopes and fears so thanks so much girls love you all loads!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Awwwwwwwwwww I can't believe your 12 weeks already!!!!!!!!!!!
SOOOoooooo excited for you
Love you so much and can't wait to hear every single milestone of your pregnancy

 

[Bride2b]

Yay congrats on 12 weeks!!!!thats like the first major milestone,well done little rainbow xxxxx

 

[yazoo]

Hi girls,

Sorry I wasn't on yesterday at all. I have a bit to catch up on. So today I would be 39 weeks pregnant. I definitely feel like I should be diagnosed with bipolar. lol. I'm very up and down. We put up our Christmas tree yesterday and it was very emotional towards the end. I put 2 little decoration on, one with Jakob's name and the other with DD's and I was so sad. AF is over thank god. FX'd it will happen for me this month.

Joelene, i just went to salon services and got a colour and put it in myself but it has went back as dark as ever. A few years ago I spent a fortune getting black out of my hair. It took ages, cost a fortune and left my hair in bits and I said I'd never do it again. Silly me for going putting dark colours into it again. I'm too indecisive, thats my problem. Its really expensive here too to get your hair done. What isn't expensive in Ireland. How's Tilly doing? Any pics of her. I love the miniature jack russels, they are so cute. Yay for 12 weeks. Are you showing yet?

Nat- I too had a hard time deciding whether to give DD immunisations but after reading up on it loads I decided to go for it. The studies don't seem to be very reliable and for me after reading it I felt it much safer to get her immunised especially when the studies and research aren't very reliable. Everyone is different though and its your choice. I'm glad your hubby showed how he felt about the pic. I think men try so hard to hide their feelings about these things so its great.

Helen, I'm sorry hun you ahd such an awful dream. The 3 month marker is very hard. It's 4 months for me on Sunday.

Bride2b- that is absolutely normal what you are feeling about the baby being born. I find myself getting pangs of jealousy towards some friends and family members who are pregnant. i'm ashamed of it but I think its absolutely normal.

Blav- I'm glad your cousins wife is ok and that your OH is on board for ttc again.

Mhairi- I know that everything will be perfect at your scan. Its natural to be nervous. I wish i could say something to help. I know what you mean about loving Christmas. i do too and I have to say when we were putting up at our tree yesterday while listening to Christmas songs I got a little excited but then I felt so sad towards the end of it. I almost felt guilty about being a little excited also. Is that weird?? I feel like I should be sad all the time and not getting excited about it.

Bride2b- When I was pregnant I joined an Irish website/forum. It sent me weekly emails abotu babies development etc. i loved it when I was pregnant but after little man was born I deleted my membership but continued to get the emails. I emailed them and nicely told them that they should take me off the list as I had cancelled my membership for this reason and my baby had died. I got a very apologetic email back and I haven't received another one from them since. Lol- a wanker smile. Love it.

 

[winterwonder]

Morning, everyone!

Well my friend had her baby girl yesterday, and stuck a picture on facebook and now i feel like s**t. I'm feeling really depressive today,(sorry if TMI) i found some odd looking moles/lumps on my nipples last night, and have made a doc app for monday, still no AF (all i feel like i talk about is my lack of AF!!!), felt really ill last night for no reason, still feeling a bit icky today and i just cant be bothered i just want to hibernate forever!

sorry to be so down.

Christine xx

 

[mhazzab]

Morning, everyone!

Well my friend had her baby girl yesterday, and stuck a picture on facebook and now i feel like s**t. I'm feeling really depressive today,(sorry if TMI) i found some odd looking moles/lumps on my nipples last night, and have made a doc app for monday, still no AF (all i feel like i talk about is my lack of AF!!!), felt really ill last night for no reason, still feeling a bit icky today and i just cant be bothered i just want to hibernate forever!

sorry to be so down.

Christine xx

Awww I'm sorry you were upset by your friends baby...I've had that happen to me several times. This is going to sound awful but I have hidden those people from my news feed right now so I dont see their updates it's just too hard.

I hope everything goes okay for you at the doctors with the lumps, its probably a hormones thing but its best to get checked.Is that about 12 weeks since you gave birth? It took ten weeks for my first AF so you are not far off me, I hope it comes soon (never thought I would ever wish for that!)

Hugs xx