The Vasectomy Reversal Wives & Girlfriends Club. aka (VR WAGs)

[ElmoBumpToBe]

one man on the testimonials claims to have had 100% antibodies but they have conceived? Rachy what is the difference between the mar test and morphology? is it seperate? Just can't get my head round how they can just not mention something that seems to be extremely bad news ...I just wasn't expecting this I don't know how to feel....icis etc is not a financial option for us so this could be the end ...

 

[Babybabyno2]

fingers crossed she doesnt show!! Xxx

Soo confused, started getting a cramp type pain then a brown stringy discharge which is turning pink, why sore boobs for the last week and still now ?? god my head is wrecked, I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with me ??? dh just keeps saying oh we will see what the SA results come back with first ... sorry for the moan

 

[rachy28]

fingers crossed she doesnt show!! Xxx

Soo confused, started getting a cramp type pain then a brown stringy discharge which is turning pink, why sore boobs for the last week and still now ?? god my head is wrecked, I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with me ??? dh just keeps saying oh we will see what the SA results come back with first ... sorry for the moan

I never had sore boobs or anything until we started ttc. I think its psychosomatic, we want it so much that we notice things we wouldn't normally.

Elmo, its a claim I wouldn't be inclined to believe. Morphology is the total number of normally shaped sperm. 6% may seem low but for most men, the norm can be as little as 4%. This wont affect your ability to conceive like the antibodies.
The Mar tests for antisperm antibodies, you will only be given this test if you have agglutination (sperm clumping). Agglutination refers to sperm sticking together preventing them from swimming. Certain infections can cause agglutination which is usually treated with antibiotics x

 

[Babybabyno2]

I've been pregnant before i know what it feels like, and i definitely felt pregnant. Is there anyway dh sperm might be connected ? as in the quality ? we get his results tomorrow.

 

[rachy28]

Hard to say really unless he has known dna issues. Mc are generally caused by abnormal embryos, implantation failure or nk cells.

Good luck for your results tomorrow

 

[Babybabyno2]

Hard to say really unless he has known dna issues. Mc are generally caused by abnormal embryos, implantation failure or nk cells.

Good luck for your results tomorrow

Thanks for your reply, hopefully we get some answers tomorrow and i dont have a nervous breakdown

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Rachy is he has agglutination why is his motility so good? Above average at 66%? Do you think his over all count being so high will work in our favour at all? Maybe make things more possible if we can get the antibodies down by a couple of percent?

So when other people talk about their morphology it is different to our antibodies? Did you say bens morphology is only 6%? I didn't pick up on that x

 

[rachy28]

Honestly I don't know, our first count came back with 112million, 56% motility & 6% morph but agglutination. Presence of agglutination suggests AsAb's which is why they check, as you already know the antibodies can affect sperm in other ways, so you may have a high percentage of swimmers but they may not be able to penetrate or bind with the egg. It depends where the antibody is located on each sperm. Morphology is a different parameter to agglutination or Mar, as I said it checks for normally shaped sperm so any with 2 heads, 2 tails, coiled tails, large or small heads for example, would be classified as abnormal forms x

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Thought this might interest you, it makes some sense and it's the only explanation I can think of for Dr Harriss telling us we should have no problems conceiving naturally on both his letters x

https://www.vasectomyreversals.ca/v...tomy-vasectomy-reversal-anti-sperm-antibodies

 

[Babybabyno2]

Our doctor just rang to say the results say below normal sperm count, she will discuss all other results tomorrow at 12.15. Not sure how i feel.. dh is staying positive and thinks we can improve the sperm count with time??

 

[rachy28]

Elmo, our urologist told us we'd be pregnant within 6 months, it took us 21 cycles to get a bfp and even that was short lived As far as vr's go, just the presence of sperm deem it successful regardless of quality or quantity. Ive no doubt of a fairly good pregnancy rate after vr but again I think it comes down to the % of sperm coated in antibodies. It would be great to actually speak to a couple with 100% and natural conception rather than a testimonial or a urologists opinion. Our fertility specialist said its highly unlikely we'll conceive on our own although there is a 1% chance and miracles do happen.

Babyno2, you have sperm so thats a good thing. Live in hope had a poor count but managed to conceive so don't loose hope just yet

 

[Babybabyno2]

Hi Rachy, are there any questions i need to ask tomorrow, is there a chart with what is normal so i can print it off and know what to question?

 

[rachy28]

Your results should have in brackets what the normal ranges are, I would ask to see them personally then question the results. I do know that a normal count is atleast 15million/ml or 40million total, motility should be greater than 45% and normal morphology atleast 4%.

 

[Babybabyno2]

Your results should have in brackets what the normal ranges are, I would ask to see them personally then question the results. I do know that a normal count is atleast 15million/ml or 40million total, motility should be greater than 45% and normal morphology atleast 4%.

Thanks a mill

 

[live_in_hope]

hey ladies! Aw all these figures are sending my head spinning! I cant imagine how you all are xxx dr harriss told me that with my low count and motility (1 million p/ml with inly 4% swimming) that it could take us years to conceive if at all.... So i started my teaching degree, so i would have a focus other than ttc for years....less than 3months later I got my bfp! So it really does only take one. One swimming in the right direction at the right time! when LO was 18m old I came off the pill and fell pregnant again within a month. Unfortunately I had a MC and held off ttc again until the nov...ive now been trying for a year.... I am quite interested to know what all my details were but I didnt get them, just a letter with count and motility....sure I did il have a look! xx

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Live in hope- can't tell you how much I wish I had left it at that, we would have been blissfully unaware and would have thought we had a great chance - more so than many couples who hadent even had a reversal in fact. I still simply cannot get my head around how a professional could tell us we had every chance of conceiving within a year if things are as bad as 100% antibodies. I wonder what he is going to say tomorow x

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Good luck babybabyno2 xx

 

[live_in_hope]

Awww elmo i really hope he can explain himself better tomorrow! He knows what he's talking about so I cant understand why he would say something when it isnt true or give false hope....what he said to us was honest and felt brutal at the time but we were happy we knew where we stood and were pleased he had at least 1 and thankfully knowing that was enough to keep us going....xxx

 

[live_in_hope]

when I started this thread back in 2010 i started it with a few frends i shared my journey with and one of them started a thread to share their SA results. Theres some links on the first page too, it may be of interest xxxx


https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/trying-to-conceive/451972-vr-sperm-results-us-girls-xxxx.html

 

[rachy28]

Elmo, I found this for you, I hope its actually uploaded. Might give you insight into morphology x