The Vasectomy Reversal Wives & Girlfriends Club. aka (VR WAGs)

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Hey, ladies, been awhile since I've been here, trying to catch up!

live_in_hope, remind me when the VR re-do is? I know it's coming up quick!

Rachy, egh, the HORMONES...GAHHH

Elmo, our clinic has only ever had my DH abstain for 2 days, they say more than 2 days is actually detrimental to the sample, and from our experience I'd have to say that's true

So, I did a fresh IVF/ICSI cycle in July and it failed. We didn't even get one embryo. I had 9 good follicles, only 4 eggs, only 2 mature, and none fertilized, so we didn't even get to be PUPO for a bit.

So that SUCKED. My doctor highly recommended that we move on to donor eggs, as this was the second cycle I've done that's ended like this. And so we've decided to buy frozen donor eggs. I'm doing a "mock" cycle right now, to confirm my lining grows well with the meds, and then I should be able to do a transfer in mid-November.

I'm excited! I feel like another fresh cycle on me would just be so much more of a gamble, and I feel like the best odds for us to get a sibling for our daughter is donor eggs. I love the fact that with donor eggs, I get to be pregnant again and carry our new child. So yah, I'm excited that we have a real shot at this!

Oh, and our baby girl turned ONE last week! Crazy!

Hope everyone else is doing well!

I think doner eggs are a beautiful idea! It's the perfect adoption basically but your hubby will be the bio father, you will have all that bonding with the baby, it's ideal, I hope it works!! When will you be transferring (roughly do you think?)

Well - we had our consult today at the clinic! It wasn't what I expected at all. Firstly, he said I am super fertile, he also said that DH's analysis results where great, his count was 85 million per mil, his morphology has gone up to 6%, so both above average, motility is average and antibodies he said where "about 80%" though we I don't have the amount in writing until they sent them to us in the post. At first they said he had no antibodies!! I refused to believe it and asked him to phone the lab to double check and sure enough once they had they told him there were antibodies but not one hundred percent, maybe 80%.

Basically he has said that although he's obviously willing to do the IVF and icsi now if we want it, as in his words "he's in this to make money!" He firmly believes that if we try for another year we will get pregnant. So....I don't know now!!

 

[live_in_hope]

Hey, ladies, been awhile since I've been here, trying to catch up!

live_in_hope, remind me when the VR re-do is? I know it's coming up quick!

Rachy, egh, the HORMONES...GAHHH

Elmo, our clinic has only ever had my DH abstain for 2 days, they say more than 2 days is actually detrimental to the sample, and from our experience I'd have to say that's true

So, I did a fresh IVF/ICSI cycle in July and it failed. We didn't even get one embryo. I had 9 good follicles, only 4 eggs, only 2 mature, and none fertilized, so we didn't even get to be PUPO for a bit.

So that SUCKED. My doctor highly recommended that we move on to donor eggs, as this was the second cycle I've done that's ended like this. And so we've decided to buy frozen donor eggs. I'm doing a "mock" cycle right now, to confirm my lining grows well with the meds, and then I should be able to do a transfer in mid-November.

I'm excited! I feel like another fresh cycle on me would just be so much more of a gamble, and I feel like the best odds for us to get a sibling for our daughter is donor eggs. I love the fact that with donor eggs, I get to be pregnant again and carry our new child. So yah, I'm excited that we have a real shot at this!

Oh, and our baby girl turned ONE last week! Crazy!

Hope everyone else is doing well!

hey :wave: xxxxxx

Im sorry it didnt work with your last cycle but I can really sense your excitement in using donor eggs! Thats great! wishing you all the best of luck! I will be keeping everything crossed! keep us all psted wont you!
Annnnnd...... How on earth is Lux 1 already!!! that is unbelievable!! I remember you having her as if it was just last week! Madness! Xxxx happy 1st birthday!! xxxxx

Im doing ok here, 26 days to go! its the 21st september and i just want to fast forward! But im back to work thursday so i know the next few weeks will go quite quickly!....heres hoping anyway! xxxx
We may be bump buddies by xmas! :thubmup: xx

I think doner eggs are a beautiful idea! It's the perfect adoption basically but your hubby will be the bio father, you will have all that bonding with the baby, it's ideal, I hope it works!! When will you be transferring (roughly do you think?)

Well - we had our consult today at the clinic! It wasn't what I expected at all. Firstly, he said I am super fertile, he also said that DH's analysis results where great, his count was 85 million per mil, his morphology has gone up to 6%, so both above average, motility is average and antibodies he said where "about 80%" though we I don't have the amount in writing until they sent them to us in the post. At first they said he had no antibodies!! I refused to believe it and asked him to phone the lab to double check and sure enough once they had they told him there were antibodies but not one hundred percent, maybe 80%.

Basically he has said that although he's obviously willing to do the IVF and icsi now if we want it, as in his words "he's in this to make money!" He firmly believes that if we try for another year we will get pregnant. So....I don't know now!!

omg! They are brilliant numbers elmo! what are you going to do! Bet you're heads is spinning right now! oooh exciting though! You could carry on ttc and save, even for 6months or so? And temp etc, pull out all the stops and do every trick in the book! xx

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

I haven't got a clue about temping but I am absolutely going to pull out all the stops and get back on it like rabbits until December when we will go back to book for sometime between January and March depending obviously on how things have gone!

Part of me is dubious, but part of me is saying have some hope, he is an expert after all? Maybe we haven't tried hard enough!

I can't believe it's only 20 odd days until hubby's redo! I'm excited for you!!! Xx

 

[live_in_hope]

right! Lets do it! Im gona help you get your bfp before xmas!! Get some opks...if you dont want to temp, these are easier and less stressful. We had such poor figures and managed to conceive and i can only put it down to good timing and the only other thing i did was lay with my hips elevated (a pillow under my bum) for half hour after intercourse and we were both taking pregnacare conception vitamins....
So, where are you in your cycle now? Xx

 

[wannabeprego]

Hey, ladies, been awhile since I've been here, trying to catch up!

live_in_hope, remind me when the VR re-do is? I know it's coming up quick!

Rachy, egh, the HORMONES...GAHHH

Elmo, our clinic has only ever had my DH abstain for 2 days, they say more than 2 days is actually detrimental to the sample, and from our experience I'd have to say that's true

So, I did a fresh IVF/ICSI cycle in July and it failed. We didn't even get one embryo. I had 9 good follicles, only 4 eggs, only 2 mature, and none fertilized, so we didn't even get to be PUPO for a bit.

So that SUCKED. My doctor highly recommended that we move on to donor eggs, as this was the second cycle I've done that's ended like this. And so we've decided to buy frozen donor eggs. I'm doing a "mock" cycle right now, to confirm my lining grows well with the meds, and then I should be able to do a transfer in mid-November.

I'm excited! I feel like another fresh cycle on me would just be so much more of a gamble, and I feel like the best odds for us to get a sibling for our daughter is donor eggs. I love the fact that with donor eggs, I get to be pregnant again and carry our new child. So yah, I'm excited that we have a real shot at this!

Oh, and our baby girl turned ONE last week! Crazy!

Hope everyone else is doing well!

Welcome back to the group! I am so sorry that your IVf cycle wasn't a success! Big hugs to you hun! I am sending lots of sticky baby dust and good luck to you for your next cycle! I hope that the donor eggs work out great and you get lots of healthy embryos that result in your BFP!

Happy 1st birthday to your precious baby girl!

 

[wannabeprego]

@Elmo, I am so glad that your DH's numbers are looking so great and that you are also fertile! Fingers crossed and lots of good luck to you that you can get your BFP the old fashioned way!

@Live, Fingers crossed that your DH's redo is a success and he gets lots of healthy ! It won't be much longer now, his surgery will be here before you know it!

 

[wannabeprego]

AFM, I had my consultation with the new fertility clinic for the FET cycle and I have decided that I am not going to use them for it and I am not going to transfer my 3 frosties there! There were a few reasosns why but the main reason was because the costs were getting to high for us because they wanted me to do excessive testing before the cycle and they didn't think my insurance would cover it. Long story short I am going to do out of town monitoring and just drive up to my old clinic where I did my first IVF cycle for the transfer! I can do out of town monitoring at a local fertility clinic where I live now and order my meds with a RX from my clinic. I can drive directly to my clinic and it is a 4.5 hour drive. I might even be able to go by myself if DH is comfortable with watching the twins by himself and having them overnight without me. My family is about 45 minutes away from my clinic so if I have time I would go visit them. Although I might not be able to. It depends on how long I will be there for. I did a longer update in my journal. The link is in my siggy, but this is the short version of what happened after my FET consult on Monday.

Overall I am happy with this decision because I am more comfortable with my original fertility clinic and of course I had success with them so it isn't as stressful. When I left the new fertility clinic by my house this past Monday my head was literally spinning and I was very overwhelmed. I knew as I walked out that I wasn't going to use them.

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

right! Lets do it! Im gona help you get your bfp before xmas!! Get some opks...if you dont want to temp, these are easier and less stressful. We had such poor figures and managed to conceive and i can only put it down to good timing and the only other thing i did was lay with my hips elevated (a pillow under my bum) for half hour after intercourse and we were both taking pregnacare conception vitamins....
So, where are you in your cycle now? Xx

Haha I have to say I love your enthusiasm ☺️ As it happens the scan showed I was just about to ovulate so we have done it three times haha twice yesterday and once today, I'm not really concerned about using up the swimmers since I knew I definitely ovulated yesterday and his count is good! I also had my bum in the air afterwards lol and I'm going to make sure I do more of that!! Don't think I did it for long enough at all. I was using a fantastic little gadget by clearblue it was a digital ovulation test with sticks, very much like the clearblue monitor but doesn't last forever, the sticks have run out now, I would love another but Ben picked it up when he was working over night in a 24 hour tesco, for some reason it was in the bargain bin lol but they are about £50 so I'm going to try get a second hand monitor instead off eBay. I didn't have much luck with the cheapie opks at all, i like to have something I pee on first thing once a day, no messing about lol. Xx

 

[live_in_hope]

hehe elmo! Love it! Sounds like you've had a good shot this month then already! Never used the clearlblue ones (maybe because they are that expensive!) but its always worth sticking with whatever works for you thankfully (for my purse) the cheapie opks work for me! Phew! im 6dpo now and my next ov will be due while hubby is recovering god i want my first ov after the op to come....like now!!! I thought i wante dit bad last time....but my god do i want it realy bad, it literally hurts! xxx keep us posted! Xx

Hey wannabe, aw im sorry it didnt work out with the clinic, but you are right to go with your gut and if it isnt right, it isnt right! Its not like you're shopping for groceries, you are spending a lot of money on simething life changing! I will pop over and read the full version in your journal xx sorry i dont get over these days xx

Im back to work tomorrow after 6weeks off em is looking forward to seeing all her nursery friends and itl be good coz the weeks go much quicker when im at work so the op will be here in no time! not looking forward to setting my alarm tonight lol

Xxx

 

[wannabeprego]

hehe elmo! Love it! Sounds like you've had a good shot this month then already! Never used the clearlblue ones (maybe because they are that expensive!) but its always worth sticking with whatever works for you thankfully (for my purse) the cheapie opks work for me! Phew! im 6dpo now and my next ov will be due while hubby is recovering god i want my first ov after the op to come....like now!!! I thought i wante dit bad last time....but my god do i want it realy bad, it literally hurts! xxx keep us posted! Xx

Hey wannabe, aw im sorry it didnt work out with the clinic, but you are right to go with your gut and if it isnt right, it isnt right! Its not like you're shopping for groceries, you are spending a lot of money on simething life changing! I will pop over and read the full version in your journal xx sorry i dont get over these days xx

Im back to work tomorrow after 6weeks off em is looking forward to seeing all her nursery friends and itl be good coz the weeks go much quicker when im at work so the op will be here in no time! not looking forward to setting my alarm tonight lol

Xxx

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that! Yeah you are right! It is too much money and too important to do it where I am not comfortable and happy with the RE! Thanks for popping by my journal! I responded to your post!

Sorry you are heading back to work tomorrow! Good luck with your first day!

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

hehe elmo! Love it! Sounds like you've had a good shot this month then already! Never used the clearlblue ones (maybe because they are that expensive!) but its always worth sticking with whatever works for you thankfully (for my purse) the cheapie opks work for me! Phew! im 6dpo now and my next ov will be due while hubby is recovering god i want my first ov after the op to come....like now!!! I thought i wante dit bad last time....but my god do i want it realy bad, it literally hurts! xxx keep us posted! Xx

Hey wannabe, aw im sorry it didnt work out with the clinic, but you are right to go with your gut and if it isnt right, it isnt right! Its not like you're shopping for groceries, you are spending a lot of money on simething life changing! I will pop over and read the full version in your journal xx sorry i dont get over these days xx

Im back to work tomorrow after 6weeks off em is looking forward to seeing all her nursery friends and itl be good coz the weeks go much quicker when im at work so the op will be here in no time! not looking forward to setting my alarm tonight lol

Xxx

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that! Yeah you are right! It is too much money and too important to do it where I am not comfortable and happy with the RE! Thanks for popping by my journal! I responded to your post!

Sorry you are heading back to work tomorrow! Good luck with your first day!

Absolutely agree it has to be 100% where you feel in the best hands! X

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Does anyone know the difference between igG and igA and which is the biggest problem? x

 

[live_in_hope]

hey hun, no sorry I really dont xx

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Shouldn't really be focusing on it anyway just SA showed figures for both so I was curious.

 

[live_in_hope]

have you had any luck? Google would know! xx

 

[rachy28]

Hi elmo, sorry for the late reply. Ive been busy & im currently on holiday. IgG tends to aggluntinate sperm, making them stick together or prevent them from swimming to the egg. IgA prevents binding and fertilisation of the egg. IgA is much more significant in affecting fertility. Our second SA returned values of 100% IgG & 72% IgA. I hope that helps x

 

[ElmoBumpToBe]

Argh well I'm so frustrated that even a fertility expert at a privately paid for consultation can't really explain to me what's what.

He didn't really seem to believe in antibodies and told me look the only effect the antibodies can have is stopping the sperm from swimming but you don't have agglutination and motility is fine, so you don't have a fertility problem at all.
I said to him "but I have also heard that depending on where the antibodies are, that they can stop the sperm from being able to penetrate the egg?"

He said he had never heard of that, knew nothing about it, and that I shouldn't focus on the antibodies at all, as they are just theory. To begin with he said our SA showed no antibodies at all, and I didn't believe it, I said no I bet I know what has happened, they have seen no agglutination so they haven't bothered testing for them. So he phoned the lab and asked them to look again and the person on the phone told him he did have antibodies, but not 100% around 80%.

So I checked the results when they came in the post and it says igg 80% positive, iga 5% negative. Not sure why they are presented differently but I presume this means that 95% of our sperm cannot penetrate an egg.

How the hell does he not know about this?!

so disappointing after he has raved about our fertility and told me that we will get pregnant naturally. ��

 

[live_in_hope]

oh god elmo, talk about messing with your head! I have realised from experience that these 'experts' really arent what they seem.... When we were ttc, i got sent to a gp who 'specilises' in fertility....she didnt even know how an opk worked!....and she hated me telling her things....ive learnt not to bother now and if i need anything answering, to find out online....
I feel so frustrated for you that you are going back and forth all the time and not knowing what is going on... We were never told nything other than count and motility and in a way im glad....it may be different this time though...and ive got a microscope lol... I dont know what to suggest for you though, im so annoyed at how this is happening to you xxx

 

[rachy28]

https://haveababy.com/fertility-inf...their-effect-on-fertility-role-in-ivf-outcome

My fertility specialist was very honest in telling me that "while it is possible to achieve natural conception, it may take a very long time- if it happens at all" Im nhs funded so its not that he's lining his pockets from us. He did say that many specialists dont understand AsAb's and they do really only test for them if agglutination is present. But they can be present and not cause agglutination. My dh does have agglutination but also has a rapid progressive motility of 56% so not all of them are clumped together.
I would suggest continuing ttc but continue saving to proceed with icsi should you wish to take that route xx

 

[wannabeprego]

@Elmo, i am sorry that your RE wasn't very knowledgeable and wasn't familiar with what you were asking! Have you thought about looking into using another RE if you aren't happy with the one you have now? Some of these DR's aren't that great and i have experienced that first hand!