TTC 1st child 35+ (Please spoiler any PG news/announcements).

[HappyAuntie]

With new posts on that forum they will be pushed down and the likelihood of anyone 35+ ttc their first child who needs support and encouragement may never find such an awesome thread.

Well you're right about that - that didn't occur to me since I only ever access the thread from my Subscribed Threads link, not through the forum pages....

I understand that some here have conceived without difficulty, but lets be honest here, if it was so easy do you think we'd have a thread specifically for 35+ ttc #1? We're a HUGE population of women who are being told we have unexplained infertility, some who are told their eggs are "old" which is rediculous to make to such young women, and those who've yes, had one or multiple mc's or for some reason haven't achieved a pregnancy no matter how hard.

I think it's crazy to throw these women in with threads that have no real familiarity to the topic and in the main forum where majority of the women are of child-baring age and have no idea what it's like to be told your too old, we don't know why you can't get pregnant, have never lost a child or felt the sharp tear of a negative test over and over again.

There are women who will miss this thread who don't have that kind of support at home or with their immediate friends that can use this as a tool to work through the emotions, find out what works for everyone else and just encourage one another. In my opinion it would be sad to throw this into a "discussion" yes we're ttc #1 and for me...trying to keep my pregnancy, but the conversations in this thread are REAL topics of whom many women ARE struggling or have. There's nothing wrong with women who are of our age and haven't had to struggle, don't get me wrong, but many of us who've had heartbreak, some have struggled but have found VICTORY in the end with their journey and those who have a WEALTH of information like you, and the other girls who've been through one treatment or another. It would just be so sad to see the thread disappear into a "discussion" forum. I think it's kind of belittling yet again to middle age women who NEED this kind of conversation with other like-minded women and not have to bare the burden of answering questions from young kids who've never been there.

I'm just trying to say (and perhaps not very well) that just because they moved our discussion does not change the membership or topic of our group. Our thread is still about ttc#1 over 35 - our location does not change that. Just because this thread is now mixed in with other TTC Discussions and Groups does not mean that all of a sudden younger women are going to start posting in here. Yes, we all have age and earthly childlessness in common - our location does not change that. And that common discussion will not interest younger women, much in the same way that some of the other threads on here will never be of interest to me. We are still the same, and we are what make this thread special, not our location.

No offense taken, just a difference of opinion.

 

[Mommy's Angel]

With new posts on that forum they will be pushed down and the likelihood of anyone 35+ ttc their first child who needs support and encouragement may never find such an awesome thread.

Well you're right about that - that didn't occur to me since I only ever access the thread from my Subscribed Threads link, not through the forum pages....

I understand that some here have conceived without difficulty, but lets be honest here, if it was so easy do you think we'd have a thread specifically for 35+ ttc #1? We're a HUGE population of women who are being told we have unexplained infertility, some who are told their eggs are "old" which is rediculous to make to such young women, and those who've yes, had one or multiple mc's or for some reason haven't achieved a pregnancy no matter how hard.

I think it's crazy to throw these women in with threads that have no real familiarity to the topic and in the main forum where majority of the women are of child-baring age and have no idea what it's like to be told your too old, we don't know why you can't get pregnant, have never lost a child or felt the sharp tear of a negative test over and over again.

There are women who will miss this thread who don't have that kind of support at home or with their immediate friends that can use this as a tool to work through the emotions, find out what works for everyone else and just encourage one another. In my opinion it would be sad to throw this into a "discussion" yes we're ttc #1 and for me...trying to keep my pregnancy, but the conversations in this thread are REAL topics of whom many women ARE struggling or have. There's nothing wrong with women who are of our age and haven't had to struggle, don't get me wrong, but many of us who've had heartbreak, some have struggled but have found VICTORY in the end with their journey and those who have a WEALTH of information like you, and the other girls who've been through one treatment or another. It would just be so sad to see the thread disappear into a "discussion" forum. I think it's kind of belittling yet again to middle age women who NEED this kind of conversation with other like-minded women and not have to bare the burden of answering questions from young kids who've never been there.

I'm just trying to say (and perhaps not very well) that just because they moved our discussion does not change the membership or topic of our group. Our thread is still about ttc#1 over 35 - our location does not change that. Just because this thread is now mixed in with other TTC Discussions and Groups does not mean that all of a sudden younger women are going to start posting in here. Yes, we all have age and earthly childlessness in common - our location does not change that. And that common discussion will not interest younger women, much in the same way that some of the other threads on here will never be of interest to me. We are still the same, and we are what make this thread special, not our location.

No offense taken, just a difference of opinion.

Totally agree with what you are saying. It doesn't change the topic of the thread nor the lovely women who make it special but moving it from 35+ does make it harder for other lovely women who don't have the support they need to find us. Many of us here and on the "graduates" thread found this thread because we were on 35+ ttc forum to talk with women who were like-minded. That's how we found each other.

Being shoved in the new forum will likely keep the group together, but may not reach out to other women our own age who possibly NEED this support.

As you said and I agree with you on this as well... This thread is all about ttc 35+ I'm confused as to why they moved us.

I'm also confused as to why the main 40+ thread is allowed to still be in that forum and we were purged out.

All in all, I may have made the administrater ticked at me and she may not allow me on the site again anyways...I'm just trying to make sure that this thread continues to reach out to women 35+ who are ttc on the forum where they ARE and not just on some ttc forum where mixed in with women who pop out babies regularly.

 

[lavalux]

MA,

We have our doctor's appt. with the RE tomorrow morning so I'm trying to think this through and construct some good questions to ask him. To answer some of yours, mM insurance covered only the diagnostic testing. It does not cover any treatment or prescriptions. With that said, they did cover part of my Femara prescription last cycle b/c CVS called it in as a renewal from the previous month and I think they paid it then as part of a diagnostic test). Insurance did not pay for my Pregnyl trigger shot, but I found a $10 discount at an independent pharmacy that ACRM recommended. Also, my DH isn't paying for any of this, but he's picking up all of our living expenses so I can save for treatment. We are also diverting rental income from the house I own from debt repayment to our baby fund temporarily, but my DH is uncomfortable with that, but willing so that we can get some help with our TTC. Any information you can give me about the cost of the injectibles (Menpour & Bravelle) would be helpful.

We have done 2 treatment cycles with Femara. One was just timed intercourse and last month was an IUI with a trigger. My doctor wants me to just come in tomorrow for my Day 3 test & u/s, she said we could retest my progesterone if I want, but the plan is for me to start the next identical IUI cycle. I don't know what I want right now. I want to try something, but I don't want to waste money or time doing the same thing over when I might have a better chance on injectibles + IUI. Maybe, though, I'm missing something and if we switch to injectibles now the doctors won't have a chance to try the Femara again & see how my body reacts. On the other hand, if it takes a few months to figure out the right injectible cocktail, we better get started now.

As for my uterine lining, they checked on Day 3 and then again mid-cycle. Everything looked great, etc. They praise my tubes, ovaries & uterus up and down ... it's my "Advance Maternal Age" eggies that are the reason for my infertility diagnosis.

I wish we had the money now for IVF. I would go to that immediately, although the idea scares me with all the shots, etc. But, I feel like I have such a short window and if I can't do IVF now, I want to use the time & money wisely.

Everyone,
I'm sorry this post is all about me & I promise to send a more personalize post soon, but I'm rushing to prepare for my consult tomorrow.

 

[FutureMommie]

Lava- my insurance covered most of my injections, I usually paid 60.00 for 600iu and 40.00 for the trigger shot, so total 100.00, they increased my dossage with my last IUI so I had to double my order of follistim, and I had to have ganarellix injections too. Good luck with you RE appointment tomorrow, remember don't be afraid to ask for what you want, sometimes they need to know that you have done your research, my dh can be a little forward and slightly pushy with my RE but it just lets him know that we are serious.

MA- I can only speak for myself when I say that it isn't offensive to me that you still post here, you words and wisdom regarding ttc can be very helpful. Although you have graduated you still know what we have been through and are still going thru, I think that even when we all graduate we will still encourage those ladies that are still waiting on their bfp. Don't stop visiting.

AFM- I had a little negative moment this morning, but I refuse to let thoughts creep in during my 2ww so I'm praying that I remain in a positive place.

 

[Mommy's Angel]

Thank you FM So sorry about that mind game our minds play. It's not over until you actually SEE it. It's hard because we constantly look for familiar side affects and when we don't feel them, we think it's over. Keep pushing through those thoughts. I know them all too well and deal with them even now. God is MUCH stronger than that. No matter WHAT, we know you'll get your hearts desire. It's just the darn wait!
Love to you dear friend!!

Lava,

let me see what I can find out about the price and I'll try and post it tonight. I'm not sure if it depends on the pharmacy and the area but at least it will give you a ballpark. Keep in mind, I'm in Central New York. So the cost here may be more than your state unless they regulate the costs of drugs. I'm unsure about that.

Also, Usually protocal for drugs like Femara and Clomid are three consecutive cycles before they move on. How many "mature" follies did you produce with both cycles you've done?? The ideal amount is 2 or more. If the drug isn't giving you 2 or more mature follies. 2.0 or larger, then I WOULD ask to move on to more aggressive therapy. If you have had the mature follies but just haven't reached a pregnancy I'd try one more with IUI. Otherwise if you haven't gotten the follies, I'd def. go with injectables. No use in wasting precious time and money on a drug that just isn't working for you. Usually if you had "some" response, they'd raise the strength with the next one.

In the meantime, let me see what I can find out and I'll post later on.

 

[lavalux]

Thanks. With both FemAra cycle (1 was timed intercourse & 1. Was an IUI with a trigger shot) I only had 1 mature follie. My nurse told me that since it was a big juicy one, they were happy with the result considering my age & with Femara, 1 or 2 were typical, 1 is fine. But I don't think its fine. I've read that IUI with more than 1 follie is better & results in a higher rate of success. When I asked about it, they said they wanted to avoid an octomom situation & when you get several mature follies, you increase the chance of multiples. She mentioned selective reduction, but said she recommended that I talk with the doctor so that is what we are doing. I have a friend who did several Cloud cycles, 3 IUIs,3 IVFS, all negative. As a last resort they did an IUI with injwctibles & she got pg. Her little boy is a year old now. She was at my same clinic. Her insurance paid for everything though so she could avoid to go through all of that. Mine does not & I want to be more aggressive. Thanks for checking costs. It will give me an estimate.

 

[Neversaynever]

Lava, good luck for tomorrow

FM, keep positive my lovely

Gingerbread, yes same as me and FM hope your 2WW is stress free?!

MA, have to add it doesn't bother me in the slightest that you still post in here either. You have an abundance of knowledge and know how to say all the right things to the ladies on here. I'm so happy for you

Skye, thanks for skimming my journal, she has in fact had a MC so thought she would be singing from the same sheet as me but hey

Luv, Jocr, nikki, praying, Padbrat, Dwrgi and anyone else and hope you're ok

AFM, have commented/posted on the thread in TTC 35 and over asking for this thread to be moved back.

Nothing else really apart from roll on Friday for the weekend

XxX

 

[Baby4MJ]

Hi, everyone :wave:

I have only posted a few times - I'm quite new here, but I'm so impressed by the support I see among everyone. I never knew there were so many women in my same boat (35+ TTC 1st baby). That boat often feels like a sinking ship, but knowing I'm not alone buoys my spirits. (sorry for the boating puns-sometimes I can't stop myself)

Effective Monday I am thrown into my umpteenth 2WW (brief history: 39, hubs is 45, been TTC 1st since June 2009, 3 losses between Oct. 2009 and Sept. 2010. After 4 months of failed drug treatments (orals and injectibles), and failed IUI, we're going back to mother nature as well as trying fertility acupuncture). 2WWs are the worst. Every tweak and every twinge I feel I think "could this finally be my time? Do I dare hope?" and then immediately pull the hope back, and convince myself it'll never be my time and it's not meant to be, so I can cushion myself from what I feel will inevitably be another crushing disappointment 2 weeks from now. My hubby is incredibly supportive, telling me that as long as he has me he has all he needs (sweet hubby ), which in some way makes it both better and worse: Better because I'm blessed to have him and worse because I can't give him the child he has been wishing for. It's torture.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask all of you how you cope with what feels like an eternity during each 2WW, and how you stay positive with the disappointment of each you get. I'm having a really tough time with this 2WW because I am pouring so much hope into this one for some reason, I think maybe because this is the first drug-free cycle during which we've hit all the right dates to for the best chance at getting prego. I don't know. UGH. These 2WWs seem to get longer and longer every time...

 

[Mommy's Angel]

Thanks. With both FemAra cycle (1 was timed intercourse & 1. Was an IUI with a trigger shot) I only had 1 mature follie. My nurse told me that since it was a big juicy one, they were happy with the result considering my age & with Femara, 1 or 2 were typical, 1 is fine. But I don't think its fine. I've read that IUI with more than 1 follie is better & results in a higher rate of success. When I asked about it, they said they wanted to avoid an octomom situation & when you get several mature follies, you increase the chance of multiples. She mentioned selective reduction, but said she recommended that I talk with the doctor so that is what we are doing. I have a friend who did several Cloud cycles, 3 IUIs,3 IVFS, all negative. As a last resort they did an IUI with injwctibles & she got pg. Her little boy is a year old now. She was at my same clinic. Her insurance paid for everything though so she could avoid to go through all of that. Mine does not & I want to be more aggressive. Thanks for checking costs. It will give me an estimate.

Okay, here's my take on this. I think it's a waste to continue the femara. It's NOT WORKING!! How old are you? You can't be much older than me. One follie is NOT worth wasting an IUI with. That was done with my one clomid follie and it was frustrating because I felt it wasted a perfectly good IUI. The ultimate cycle is 2 fully mature follies 3 at the most. If they're monitoring your cycles with sonograms every other day then they'll figure out when the two to three follies have matured and can Trigger a release BEFORE you get more mature follies in there.

The only way you get Octomom is by one.) not monitoring your cycles with sonograms and two.) by using the same strength injectables as those who are doing IVF. The strength at which they do IVF (and I'm sure those girls can share more with you) is to promote AS MANY fully mature follies as they can get so they can fertilize and store them for future use.

My honest opinion, don't waste your money on anymore femara cycles. Move on to more aggressive approach with injectables and be sure your monitored every other day in your cycle with sonograms to check the size of those follies. THEN do IUI with it. You can even do back to back. We actually did two vials of swimmies because Doug put out so much at the last cycle. Just be aware though that while you won't be Octomom, you CAN be a mommy of multiples like twins and triplets as we've seen with Austen mom in our "graduates" forum. She's doing well though with the triplets and I get so excited hearing updates from her. It IS more work for them though. So if your willing to try injectables knowing you could have twins or triplets. I would move forward. Just know I had three fully mature follies and we still have only one baby in here. It's not always multiples.

Your odds are better going more aggressively. ALSO make sure when they do the IUI they are slow and instead of waiting on the table just ten minutes..wait 15 or twenty! If your going to pay for the IUI RELAX and let the swimmies get where they need to go and then leave. Don't let the "clinical" attitudes in the offices push you to being quick about it.

Now that Doug has left, let me see what I can find out for you on pricing.

 

[Mommy's Angel]

Menopur 75IU per box $435.94

Bravelle 75IU per box $435.94

According to my hospital pharmacy (which is where I got my boxes though covered under insurance) they said the cost was that much. I would check with your local pharmacy and ask about the price of those two and the strength I gave you per box. Keep in mind that sometimes you may need 2 boxes of each if you end up like me...doubling two vials of each everyday. They'll most likely start you out on one vial a day to see how your body handles it. It may be you may not even NEED more than one vial of each.

I would check though to see how much your pharmacy would charge. It could be a price they put out there for NY'ers and your cost for your state may be much less. If so, please share your findings on here. I'd be interested in finding out the difference.

I found an enrollment program for discounted Menopur and Bravelle that "may" help the cost if your paying cash with no insurance coverage. Ferring Fertility HEART program

This site could also help as well with finding discounted drugs including Gonal-F. Sign up and you get a fertility lifeline card and you can use it for prescriptions (last I had it at least) Fertility Lifelines

Don't let the cost freak you out! There HAS to be a discount somewhere. If you need to fill out a whole mess of paperwork with the pharmaceutical company to get a deal then by all means, deal with the headache to get the discount. I'm sure it would be worth the headache to get the drug cheaper.

Menopur product information

Bravelle product information

 

[Mommy's Angel]

Hi, everyone :wave:

I have only posted a few times - I'm quite new here, but I'm so impressed by the support I see among everyone. I never knew there were so many women in my same boat (35+ TTC 1st baby). That boat often feels like a sinking ship, but knowing I'm not alone buoys my spirits. (sorry for the boating puns-sometimes I can't stop myself)

Effective Monday I am thrown into my umpteenth 2WW (brief history: 39, hubs is 45, been TTC 1st since June 2009, 3 losses between Oct. 2009 and Sept. 2010. After 4 months of failed drug treatments (orals and injectibles), and failed IUI, we're going back to mother nature as well as trying fertility acupuncture). 2WWs are the worst. Every tweak and every twinge I feel I think "could this finally be my time? Do I dare hope?" and then immediately pull the hope back, and convince myself it'll never be my time and it's not meant to be, so I can cushion myself from what I feel will inevitably be another crushing disappointment 2 weeks from now. My hubby is incredibly supportive, telling me that as long as he has me he has all he needs (sweet hubby ), which in some way makes it both better and worse: Better because I'm blessed to have him and worse because I can't give him the child he has been wishing for. It's torture.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask all of you how you cope with what feels like an eternity during each 2WW, and how you stay positive with the disappointment of each you get. I'm having a really tough time with this 2WW because I am pouring so much hope into this one for some reason, I think maybe because this is the first drug-free cycle during which we've hit all the right dates to for the best chance at getting prego. I don't know. UGH. These 2WWs seem to get longer and longer every time...

Just wanted to say welcome and so sorry for the hearbreak you've had.

Sometimes a break from the norm is good. I know I took two in the midst of my cycles and a couple were manditory for hyperstimming. I was told we'd NEVER conceive because I didn't get a period nor did I ovulate. 8 years later I conceived my son WITHOUT medical intervention. (though we used fertility meds in 01' to 05'). You'd imagine my surprise when we found out we were pregnant. Sadly we lost him due to a series of issues at 22wks which is why we started aggressive treatment but I just wanted to tell you that I was able to get pregnant without intervention even though I was told it'd NEVER happen. Granted it was 8 years, but it happened. Don't lose hope. Your husband sounds like a blessing! Also, you said you had 3 losses. Were they early losses? I'm just wondering if you may have a progesterone issue and may need supplimentation. Also I mentioned MTHFR and gave some links a few posts ago you may want to check out. Once you find your pregnant again, you may want to be equipped with the information.

Welcome to the group and I'm so sorry for your losses and for the pain you are going through.

 

[onmymind17]

:wave: Hi ladies, i am new here!! I have been reading through this thread, and first of all i have to agree, this thread should not be listed in general Discussions, for those of us that are over 35 and struggling to conceive our first child, we dont want to be reminded of how easy it is for some to get pg. While searching for this thread, i came to this area, and the very top thread is something about all the bfp's and turtles, and i just sighed...... Also, and no offense, i know its tough for someone who is struggling to conceive their second, third or fourth child, but its nothing compared to us who are sitting here with our arms empty. I understand why it was moved to the discussion forum, but it really should be in the TTC over 35 area, after all we are not a discussion, we are TTC over 35 for our first.

Annnnnnyway, let me introduce myself, my name is Chris, i am 43 and my DH is 44. We have been TTC for 3 years now. We got married in Sept 07 and we got pg in Nov 08 all on our own, it was so strange since it happend about a month after my dad passed away. We lost that pg, very early, we then started trying in earnest, and month after month nothing happend. I went to my OB who put me on clomid, unmonitored for 3 cycles and nothing, then i went to an RE, they did all the tests and both he and I are fine, so we tried an IUI in May 09, it did not work, we tried another IUI in August 09 and that one did work, but again we lost it very early, we tried another IUI in October 09 and that one did work, we made it to 9 weeks, but sadly no HB and i ended up having a D&C on Christmas Eve. We tried one more IUI, this time with clomid and a small dose of injectables (We had been using injectables only the other IUI's but i was out of insurance money and could not afford to get all injectables) that one did not work. So here we are, 3 years later, 4 losses, and no child to hold in our arms. One day i do believe it will happen, its very hard to maintain a positive attitude right now, but there is still a tiny flicker of hope. I will enjoy chatting with you ladies, and hopefully we will all see bfp's with some super duper sticky beans very soon.

 

[Baby4MJ]

Hi, everyone :wave:

I have only posted a few times - I'm quite new here, but I'm so impressed by the support I see among everyone. I never knew there were so many women in my same boat (35+ TTC 1st baby). That boat often feels like a sinking ship, but knowing I'm not alone buoys my spirits. (sorry for the boating puns-sometimes I can't stop myself)

Effective Monday I am thrown into my umpteenth 2WW (brief history: 39, hubs is 45, been TTC 1st since June 2009, 3 losses between Oct. 2009 and Sept. 2010. After 4 months of failed drug treatments (orals and injectibles), and failed IUI, we're going back to mother nature as well as trying fertility acupuncture). 2WWs are the worst. Every tweak and every twinge I feel I think "could this finally be my time? Do I dare hope?" and then immediately pull the hope back, and convince myself it'll never be my time and it's not meant to be, so I can cushion myself from what I feel will inevitably be another crushing disappointment 2 weeks from now. My hubby is incredibly supportive, telling me that as long as he has me he has all he needs (sweet hubby ), which in some way makes it both better and worse: Better because I'm blessed to have him and worse because I can't give him the child he has been wishing for. It's torture.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask all of you how you cope with what feels like an eternity during each 2WW, and how you stay positive with the disappointment of each you get. I'm having a really tough time with this 2WW because I am pouring so much hope into this one for some reason, I think maybe because this is the first drug-free cycle during which we've hit all the right dates to for the best chance at getting prego. I don't know. UGH. These 2WWs seem to get longer and longer every time...

Just wanted to say welcome and so sorry for the hearbreak you've had.

Sometimes a break from the norm is good. I know I took two in the midst of my cycles and a couple were manditory for hyperstimming. I was told we'd NEVER conceive because I didn't get a period nor did I ovulate. 8 years later I conceived my son WITHOUT medical intervention. (though we used fertility meds in 01' to 05'). You'd imagine my surprise when we found out we were pregnant. Sadly we lost him due to a series of issues at 22wks which is why we started aggressive treatment but I just wanted to tell you that I was able to get pregnant without intervention even though I was told it'd NEVER happen. Granted it was 8 years, but it happened. Don't lose hope. Your husband sounds like a blessing! Also, you said you had 3 losses. Were they early losses? I'm just wondering if you may have a progesterone issue and may need supplimentation. Also I mentioned MTHFR and gave some links a few posts ago you may want to check out. Once you find your pregnant again, you may want to be equipped with the information.

Welcome to the group and I'm so sorry for your losses and for the pain you are going through.

Hi, Mommy's Angel -

Thank you so much for the welcome and support. I read your journal and I am so so so sorry for all that you've gone through with the loss of your son and the trials of trying to get pregnant again after such a loss, and I am so so so happy that you're pregnant now I will be praying for you every step of the way until you are holding that little baby in your arms.

My husband truly is a blessing - we've been together for 15-1/2 years and married for 11-1/2 years I would be so lost without him.

I want to apologize for my ignorance, but what is "MTHFR"? I can't seem to find the post (newbie growing pains ) that references that and the links you mentioned?

In regard to my losses, yes, they were all 1st trimester losses. I never made it past 8 weeks, though with my 2nd m/c I did see and hear the heartbeat. By my 9th week u/s the heartbeat was gone. My ob-gyn prescribed progesterone supplements after the 2nd loss, and I have been taking them ever since (200mg once/day). Both my RE and now my acupuncturist support this, even though I have not been diagnosed with a progesterone issue. I also take a baby aspirin per day (also OK'd by RE and acupuncturist, although I do not have a clotting issue). I also take fish oil, prenatal vitamins and Chinese herbs. Whatever anyone thinks will help. Basically we're throwing baloney at the wall and seeing if it will stick.

Again, thank you for the welcome and to you for all you've been through. I will keep looking for the posts you've mentioned.

 

[Mommy's Angel]

I want to apologize for my ignorance, but what is "MTHFR"? I can't seem to find the post (newbie growing pains ) that references that and the links you mentioned?

In regard to my losses, yes, they were all 1st trimester losses. I never made it past 8 weeks, though with my 2nd m/c I did see and hear the heartbeat. By my 9th week u/s the heartbeat was gone. My ob-gyn prescribed progesterone supplements after the 2nd loss, and I have been taking them ever since (200mg once/day). Both my RE and now my acupuncturist support this, even though I have not been diagnosed with a progesterone issue. I also take a baby aspirin per day (also OK'd by RE and acupuncturist, although I do not have a clotting issue). I also take fish oil, prenatal vitamins and Chinese herbs. Whatever anyone thinks will help. Basically we're throwing baloney at the wall and seeing if it will stick.

Again, thank you for the welcome and to you for all you've been through. I will keep looking for the posts you've mentioned.

here was my response to seeing your 1st post I think a few posts back.

Have you ever been tested for MTHFR testing? Since you've had three mc's this could be a reason. It's also a reason many take asprin, however more is needed if you find you are positive.

What is MTHFR?

MTHFR Questions

MTHFR Forum


I also believe there are a couple people on here who have a type of this. I can't remember who though.

Those links should give you some information on what it is. It's a blood disorder that keeps women who've had more than one mc from getting past their first trimesters and is a reason for the aspirin that women are told to take.

It's a series of blood tests, nothing painful that will tell if you have a specific type of this issue that may be causing you to mc.

Also, are you seeing a reproductive endochrinologist or a regular OB? are you using progesterone cream when you find you are pregnant or are they giving you oral progesterone with POI (progesterone in oil shots) which react quicker through the bloodstream?

I don't want to give you too much information. These are just things that can help once you achieve your pregnancy. You can get tested for MTHFR right away so that you can be proactive in treatment before you get pregnant so you can stay pregnant if you have an issue with MTHFR at all.

Just a couple of ideas for you to look into. It's hard when you have early mc's and nobody has a clue why. There are some tests you can take to check for things that may cause early term mc's. MTHFR is one. I had the test done and don't have it myself. I have a whole other issue with keeping my pregnancy where I am now...the second trimester. Either I have an incompetant cervix or preterm labor which we are trying to determine. Either way it's hard to deal with any kind of ttc whilst you are fearing the reasons behind the mc's.

I have no doubt you'll be able to figure out the cause and achieve that beautiful little pregnancy.

 

[lavalux]

MA,
Thank you so much for the information. I wrote everything down and after talking with my friend who had success with her 2nd IUI + injectibles cycle at my clinic, I am planning my consult careful so I know what to say and how to approach them.

I will post tomorrow after I get back.

Welcome Baby4MJ & onmymind ... so sorry for your losses. You've come to the right place.

 

[FutureMommie]

Welcome newbies!!!!

 

[skye2010]

I was getting all confused looking through all the BNB pages and trying to find our thread and Yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!! I find it exactly where it was and where it's good to be in it's orriginal place. Our thread has been moved back again thanks to attentive BNB team.

 

[gingerbread]

YAY were back!!! Way to go girls..you all were ready to fight like you were in a back alley somewhere!!! I love your passion in your posts. Having read ttc 1st 35+ from the very beginning I can see why. Im honored to be a part of this thread that has been so long going with you girls. MA you were like a mama bear protecting her cub. Love you all!

 

[HappyAuntie]

I was getting all confused looking through all the BNB pages and trying to find our thread and Yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!! I find it exactly where it was and where it's good to be in it's orriginal place. Our thread has been moved back again thanks to attentive BNB team.

Thanks to the admins for thoughtfully considering our pleas, and thanks to MA for spearheading the effort!

FYI - you never have to search for a thread you've posted on... near the top right of every page click on "Quick Links", then on the drop-down menu click on "Subscribed Threads" and you'll see a list of every thread you've ever posted in. (You can also subscribe to threads you haven't posted in by clicking on "Thread Tools" on the top of the page.) Makes following a thread a lot easier.

Welcome to the newbies!

back to my lurkdom....

 

[skye2010]

Hey Ginger ) I think SMEP probobly does give you a better chance as it makes sure you get fresh swimmies up there while letting theones on the way to have a day to recover. But it is too methodical for me. I could never quite apply it than got frustrated that we weren't doing all we had to. Well done to those who can follow the regime hahaha

Nikki your DH is clearly on denial and I'm sure you are the one who knows best how to make him see the other way. Did he actually attend any of your meetings with the dr? I think it helps them to hear things from a specialist mouth. But it is also a good idea you explain to him what is a FS result and what are the implications. A lot of women with higher FS can get pregnant with treatment. And perhaps very few might get pregnant without a treatment but that is a big and frustrating risk to take.

One thing I agree with him is the Chinese herbs You don't know the exact effects of them in your body. No one tests your blood count or your hormones when you take them. I was advised not to take any chinese herbs at all by all my drs. It's better to spend your money on Medical meds and drs who actually monitor you. But your DH has to understand you have a better chance on a treatment than off it.

MA's explanation on all the fertility drugs seems very comprehensive. I have no idea about the medication but personally I think it's better to actually do IUI or IVF rather than just taking the meds and trying naturally cause IUI/IVF eliminate or aid most of the steps in conception (the sperms waiting, finding the egg, the eggs releasing etc etc) You might have a problem with all this without being detected by the drs cause they don't know all the causes of unexplained fertility. So apart from your eggs if you have another problem along the way, all that effort of taking the meds would be waisted.

FM thanks a lot for the suggestion I can't drink sweet drinks for some reason (Tea, juice, shakes etc) is this a sweet drink? I am trying to avoid the calendar right now too TWW is a mind blower Think positive baby, at least it will help the time pass by better

Lava the fact that your period is shortened doesn't mean that your lining wasn't healthy. The uterus sheds the blood once it realises that it isn't pregnant. Also don't forget that the medication has changed your cycle. We were suggested taking lot's of protein (! liter of milk or equivelant) and keep drinking water (2-3 litres a day) I think this helps both the growing of the embies and the lining. The water washes the hormones remaining on your body. You get a lot less hormones so I don't know if that is good for you. Although it helps the blood flow. But I'm sure the protein would help. Hope your meeting goes well. Also don't be so hard on your eggs cause with a little help older women have success in the end too. The question is just getting the right balance. In other words a younger woman with perfect quality of eggs might fail a cycle just because the drs hasn't established the right treatment. Or there might be some other matter standing on the way. So keep positive. Have you talked to any women who have similar FS results as you who do IUI. Might be helpful to see what sort of med protocol they are on. An aggressive treatment need to agree with your levels otherwise you might get hyperstimmulated or have more but lower quality eggs. You might hyperstimmulate or produce too many bad quality eggs. So definitely you should try a more aggresive med protocol this time but don't throw everything in. I think using the same amount of injectables as the IVF girls might be a bit rapid leap. IVF girls get monitored a lot more often (Scans and bloods) and if you will get that amount of drugs in your body you might as well go with the IVF. IVF stimms actually try for many embryos so that they can pick out the best ones to put back. Freezing is not the goal (They are removed, fertilised in lab condidtions and returned back. They are frail and probobly many get damaged on the process) A lot of girls, I know, with more than 10 eggs didn't get any forsties. Another girl with 15 eggs had only 2 bad quality frosties. I had 21 eggs but only 14 was mature and 10 got fertilised. Out of all that I ended up 4 frosties only.

HA when are you coming back? U sound happy where u are but I kind of missed you now ))

MA thanx for sticking around and actually sticking your neck out for us too )
I think the administrators was very nice in the end and the showed respect for our concern

Nevernever have a nice weekend

Baby4MJ I'm glad to hear that you are comfy here ) You are lucky to have a supportive DH, well done for him. TTC long term is a battle/a struggle (pick whichever suits) so it's good to feel he is your comrade. You will have your baby one day and it will belong to your both of you asa result of a joint effort. I used to hate the TWW and I usually crushed when I saw the ugly face of the witch. Recently being on treatment and being hopefull really helped. I don't know how I would react if this doesn't work out. But I feel I will just keep going untill I get my baby hopefully

(Lunch break will finish off later)