TTC 1st child 35+ (Please spoiler any PG news/announcements).

[missyt]

HA, thank you so much for letting me know about the FMLA and ADA thing! I will definately contact my HR dept. That is a great peice of information.

MA, you are right about feeling rushed. I feel rushed whenever I go to the clinic. Actually, they tell me to lay on the table for 5 mins! They actually set a timer and everything so the last time I did the IUI alone so I had to jump off the table and turn it off myself. That is good to know. I understand you not wanting to attend church on Mother's Day. I feel that this weekend will be tough for all of us.

Ginger, woo hoo! 7 more days! I'm fx'd for you. You and DH are so cute! You make a lovely couple.

Luvvie, I hope you have a very romantic and relaxing time at Big Bear. Sounds like a real treat!

Never, that is good you feel more relaxed this cycle. I think that helps a lot.

dwrgi, enjoy the play. I think its important for us TTCers to keep doing things we enjoy to keep our mind off of TTC. I hope AF doesn't show!

AFM, its my friday off so I'm just relaxing and not thinking about work. I work 9 hour days so I can have every other friday off. I work for the Navy and we just got a new captain. I would say that she looks like she is in her early to mid 40's. She was talking about finding an oncall nanny. I asked how old her children were and she said 2 and 5 months. That actually made me feel good seeing a woman having children later in life. I was wondering if she ever struggled too but I don't know her well enough to ask. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend. It feels good getting back to catching up with all of you beautiful ladies.

 

[skye2010]

Ha, I'm really sorry to hear that you've been going through such a turbolent time. Losing your auntie and kitty must have really added to your sadness. Moving is also a very stressful event let alone moving miles away from where you live. Perhaps your DH said what he said cause he was at a low point himself and he needed a break out of thinking about TTC just like you did. And perhaps this is his way of purging it out of his head. I hope this is a temporary thought for him. I don't want to give you a lot of "sweetie, cheesy" encouragement cause I know you don't like those. One thing I can't help but mention you have been pregnant twice in the last two years and you have every reason to think that you can get pregnant again. I have never been pregnant. I don't know what my problem is but I am just hopeful thinking I haven't finished exploring all my paths yet. I know that you actually don't feel too warm towards IVF but I just want to give some food for your thoughts. Your mc's was because of chromosomal defects if I'm not wrong. (?) The embryologists can actually test all the embryos for chromosomal defects. It is expensive but it can be done. They basically take some egg nucleus on the 1st day of the fertilisation, than 1 cell on the 3rd day of the fertilisation. They can confirm which embryos are all clear from any chromosomal defects. Don't forget you do produce at least 6 or more eggs in each IVF cycle so one some of your embryos is likely to be healthy. It just gives you a better chance of concieving a healthy baby. I actually thought of doing this but DH didn't want to spend all the money a) He didn't know much about chromosome defects b)we never had a BFP before let alone a mc so he thought the chances of us having a defected baby is low.
Also while on IVF the drs try to limit the body misbehaving (attacking the embryo, blood clotting etc) by various drugs and monitoring. I just wanted you to think that you might have another approach so I hope you don't find my comment intrusive. I love reading your posts cause you always give a deep thought into what you are going to say and they are usually very informative. So keep lurking pls ))

Hello Mrs J and Hello Scarlet yummy Strewberry cheeks

Onmymind I agree with MA just bin the isoflavins. Also I think you need a cood fertility specialist to look through your file and give you a reason for your mc's. Cause 4 mc is an indication of something. You can definitely get pregnant. But weather it's your body's immune reaction, your chromosome make up or any other problems, someone really need to look into that. There is nothing the supplements can do about the egg quality so no point in using the isoflavins.

Missy well done on convincing DH. Sometimes a good old stint works eh!!! The monitoring office is a blessing for you. Sounds really good. I don't know what does your dr mean by the mature follie though. Look you had enough follies growing each month of IUI so I wouldn't worry too much. The meds you will take will be more strong and they will produce more eggs for sure. But they can not tell if the egg is a good quality mature egg untill they actually mix it with the sperm. If the eggs outer layer peels easily letting the sperm go through and fertilise than they know egg was actually mature. Anyway I think it's great news that you can start IVF soon. It's a good back up plan The boss situation is well annoying (insensitive person) but try to not get worked up about it as long as you can get the time you need.

MA when are you finding out if this one's a little girl or a boy? I just can't wait. I always read your posts first to see if you're gonna mention this time.

Hey Twinkie does that mean you are back with us soon. 28 day cycle is a perfect cycle. Lucky girl. Do you think your cycles have improved. Also a biiig well done on the weight loss. You are such a determined person. You got through most of it so

Ginger, nice pict babe )) It's such a summery happy picture now I imagine you posting from an internet cafe while eating your melting ice cream. Hahaha. Will&Kate my favorite subject )

Luvy the jacuzzi suit sounds very promising Get busy lady And you don't need to be too precise about the Smep. Just have fun.

Dwrgi all my friends in facebook are going on about Duran Duran. And John Taylor was everybody's favorite except my oddball friend who was and still totally into Nick Rhodes Vaginal temps God the stuff we go through just to see a blue line on a stick eh!!! I'm sending you lot's of sticky dust baby, I hope the ugly witch stays away.

Nevernever writing is a way of healing so well done on the diary. Doesn't matter what words you chose as long it makes you feel better to get it off your chest.

AFM I woke up with a pain which turned into a strong nausea today. It can't be morning sickness cause my transfer was only 5 days ago. I called the clinic and the girl who answered was lovely. She told me I needed to drink 2-3 glasses of water before I go to bed than take a glass every time I wake up to pee. I think that's what it is. I feel a bit guilty about waking the DH when I wake up to take my meds so I quickly take a few swigs of water and go back to sleep. He will have to put up with it I'm afraid cause I can't stand being ill anymore. But I tell you at first I thought it might be morning sickness and I got so happy that I was putting up with it until I realized it's too early for that. My test date is Wednesday , how to be patient? God help me!!!!

 

[Mommy's Angel]

MA when are you finding out if this one's a little girl or a boy? I just can't wait. I always read your posts first to see if you're gonna mention this time.

Well, the gender sonogram is next friday. I had hoped I would have it last friday but they only wanted cervical length that time. We DID see the baby though.

I hope he or she cooperates. Everytime we've seen the baby, the baby is head down and body twisted. Jackson played the modesty card with my last pregnancy until wk 22, two days before I gave birth to him I found out he was a boy. Hopefully this time will be different and we'll find out next week. I'm not sure I can handle finding out the same time we found out with Jackson. I guess it's a mind over matter issue and I don't want to deal with the pain of knowing the gender while also trying to get past the 22wk milestone. Sounds silly I know, but until I get past both the 22wk milestone and then the 24wk viability milestone, I'll just be on edge.

Doug gave me my second 17P injection an hour ago. Again the injection itself didn't hurt. Did I mention I have a HUGE bump on my right butt cheek?? Apparently it's normal for the solution (because it's so thick) to stick to the muscles and cause swelling. I kept wondering why I've been in pain most of the week and then felt the muscle back there. I do hope that the injection on the left side won't have the same affect as it will be quite funny to see if I can actually sit at all let alone figure out which side to sleep on with a full swollen bum.

All in all, Next week will be my gender scan and they'll also check the cervical length which I hope will be staying put having had the injections. I pray they calm the cervix AND the length issue.

Glad to hear from everyone. It's amazing reading your journeys and I honestly can't wait to celebrate with you all when you finally get your beautiful bfp's and hold your babies in hand. I keep saying THEN we all need to meet at Disney World and share in each others joys and triumphs together. I have quite a few hugs I have to dish out in person!

 

[prayingtogod]

Ladies,


AF reared her ugly head today. Just another disappointment along this journey. I'm not in a very good place right now so I'm sure I won't be posting for a few days or longer. I have to get myself together

 

[Neversaynever]

Praying so sorry that the witch came take care of yourself hun and we will be thinking of you

XxX

 

[onmymind17]

Hi girls!

Onmymind & Baby4rmj I won't even pretend to know what having a mc let alone mmc feels like but I know you are in good hands with some other wonderful women here who can completey empathize with you. All I can say is I'm glad you are here & I look forward to hearing your wonderful news the day you both get your bfps. Such good luck to you both!

HA Im so sorry you've been so down. It breaks my heart to think of you ladies who have been through so much more than just ttc without success. Your strength,along with the others who have lost & continued ttc, has made me stronger through this whole process. Im glad to see you lurk and thank you for the advice on smep..still dont know if I can commit to THAT much bd!!!! ..we miss u & I will be thinking of you on Mothers Day

Twinkle..darn the witch!! good luck in your next cycle!

MrsJ Scarlett is beautiful!

Missy Im glad to hear DH made the appointment. I know that must've been a releif as well as making the decision to try one more iui. I hope work settles for you a bit & this cycle can be more relaxing. My iui was april 28th so 7days to go! FX'd for you!

MA the others are right that you handled the thread situation with grace..I read some of the other threads plea & OUCH it wasn't pretty!

Skye I hope you are feeling well. Im watching the lifetime movie "william & kate" and thought of you!

Awwww thank you so much for your kind words, i sure hope we get to see your bfp real soon too.

 

[onmymind17]

Hello Everybody!! Just popping in to say

Welcome to OnMyMind17-you will find a lot of support here from some really lovely ladies! Don't give up hun! The more information you have, the better equipped you will be to deal with what comes your way! Good luck to you!

Hi MA-as always, full of information and soooo helpful! I hope you're doing okay-thinking of you!

Hia Lava-thank you for the book that you recommended. My OH and I certainly need something to help us communicate, as we get really antsy with each other at times. This business doesn't help at all! I hope you are okay?

Hia Skye- how are you hun? Do you feel a bit better now?? You thought you were hyperstimming when I last read... I really hope you're okay. I'm reading your posts with especial interest as I'm likely to go through ITF (as my dad calls it) pretty soon. Am already keen to buy lots of milk tonight to help my protein levels-as I'm in 2WW noland's ville at the moment! Can't hurt! Am thinking of you and sending you lots of

Hi MissyT-I'm with luvmydoggies-your manager needs a punch for his comment. People just don't have ANY idea. Glad that DH is back on track with you and sounds like a good idea to have another IUI before moving on to IVF. Fingers crossed for you hun, and lots of

HI Twinkle-sorry to hear about EVIL, VILE, UGLY HAG AF! Grrr. Focus on the new cycle now-don't give up!

Hi Luvmydoggies-good luck with the ! Jacquzzi sounds FANTASTIC!!! Enjoy the break and fingers crossed for you! You blast away-music really does help the soul! I've been listening to the new Duran CD which is fab!!! I can't wait to see them on June 1st in Cardiff. I shall have to try very hard not to throw my nickers on the stage at John-Swoon-Taylor!! Am sending you lots of !x

Hia Ginger-how are you? Although I was really ANTI the Royal Wedding, I sooooo got into it on the day! We are all romantics at heart! Hope you're okay, hun! Love the new picture-you look very happy together! Enjoy your weekend!

Hi Jo, Never, Padbrat, Baby4MJ (waiting really does make you nuts, I completely agree!), HappyAuntie, MissyT (hope you've got a relaxing weekend ahead of you, hun?), hope you are all okay-enjoy your weekends!

AFM-CD25 today, I think! Got a few twinges yesterday which could be AF waking up to torment me, yet again! But temps still high (incidentally, Lava, read on another thread, that vaginal temps are far more reliable than oral), so not out yet. Fingers crossed for me!! Going with OH to watch Swansea City play tomorrow-I just hope we can go for a nice meal somewhere afterwards!!! I don't mind footie, but there are limits to my enthusiasm....

I hope you all have a great weekend! Lots of love to you all and huge
to each and every one of us!

Thank you for the warm welcome and dont worry, i wont give up, i keep telling myself i will, but then it creeps back in again, and i just keep trying. Dont worry about not feeling anything, i remember when i got pg in Oct 09 we had done an IUI and i had NOTHING, i was so sure the week before that it did not work, and then bam i had a positive. All 4 of my pg have been totaly different. I am sending you all kinds of luck, that you will get your bfp with a sticky bean

 

[onmymind17]

Ha, I'm really sorry to hear that you've been going through such a turbolent time. Losing your auntie and kitty must have really added to your sadness. Moving is also a very stressful event let alone moving miles away from where you live. Perhaps your DH said what he said cause he was at a low point himself and he needed a break out of thinking about TTC just like you did. And perhaps this is his way of purging it out of his head. I hope this is a temporary thought for him. I don't want to give you a lot of "sweetie, cheesy" encouragement cause I know you don't like those. One thing I can't help but mention you have been pregnant twice in the last two years and you have every reason to think that you can get pregnant again. I have never been pregnant. I don't know what my problem is but I am just hopeful thinking I haven't finished exploring all my paths yet. I know that you actually don't feel too warm towards IVF but I just want to give some food for your thoughts. Your mc's was because of chromosomal defects if I'm not wrong. (?) The embryologists can actually test all the embryos for chromosomal defects. It is expensive but it can be done. They basically take some egg nucleus on the 1st day of the fertilisation, than 1 cell on the 3rd day of the fertilisation. They can confirm which embryos are all clear from any chromosomal defects. Don't forget you do produce at least 6 or more eggs in each IVF cycle so one some of your embryos is likely to be healthy. It just gives you a better chance of concieving a healthy baby. I actually thought of doing this but DH didn't want to spend all the money a) He didn't know much about chromosome defects b)we never had a BFP before let alone a mc so he thought the chances of us having a defected baby is low.
Also while on IVF the drs try to limit the body misbehaving (attacking the embryo, blood clotting etc) by various drugs and monitoring. I just wanted you to think that you might have another approach so I hope you don't find my comment intrusive. I love reading your posts cause you always give a deep thought into what you are going to say and they are usually very informative. So keep lurking pls ))

Hello Mrs J and Hello Scarlet yummy Strewberry cheeks

Onmymind I agree with MA just bin the isoflavins. Also I think you need a cood fertility specialist to look through your file and give you a reason for your mc's. Cause 4 mc is an indication of something. You can definitely get pregnant. But weather it's your body's immune reaction, your chromosome make up or any other problems, someone really need to look into that. There is nothing the supplements can do about the egg quality so no point in using the isoflavins.

Missy well done on convincing DH. Sometimes a good old stint works eh!!! The monitoring office is a blessing for you. Sounds really good. I don't know what does your dr mean by the mature follie though. Look you had enough follies growing each month of IUI so I wouldn't worry too much. The meds you will take will be more strong and they will produce more eggs for sure. But they can not tell if the egg is a good quality mature egg untill they actually mix it with the sperm. If the eggs outer layer peels easily letting the sperm go through and fertilise than they know egg was actually mature. Anyway I think it's great news that you can start IVF soon. It's a good back up plan The boss situation is well annoying (insensitive person) but try to not get worked up about it as long as you can get the time you need.

MA when are you finding out if this one's a little girl or a boy? I just can't wait. I always read your posts first to see if you're gonna mention this time.

Hey Twinkie does that mean you are back with us soon. 28 day cycle is a perfect cycle. Lucky girl. Do you think your cycles have improved. Also a biiig well done on the weight loss. You are such a determined person. You got through most of it so

Ginger, nice pict babe )) It's such a summery happy picture now I imagine you posting from an internet cafe while eating your melting ice cream. Hahaha. Will&Kate my favorite subject )

Luvy the jacuzzi suit sounds very promising Get busy lady And you don't need to be too precise about the Smep. Just have fun.

Dwrgi all my friends in facebook are going on about Duran Duran. And John Taylor was everybody's favorite except my oddball friend who was and still totally into Nick Rhodes Vaginal temps God the stuff we go through just to see a blue line on a stick eh!!! I'm sending you lot's of sticky dust baby, I hope the ugly witch stays away.

Nevernever writing is a way of healing so well done on the diary. Doesn't matter what words you chose as long it makes you feel better to get it off your chest.

AFM I woke up with a pain which turned into a strong nausea today. It can't be morning sickness cause my transfer was only 5 days ago. I called the clinic and the girl who answered was lovely. She told me I needed to drink 2-3 glasses of water before I go to bed than take a glass every time I wake up to pee. I think that's what it is. I feel a bit guilty about waking the DH when I wake up to take my meds so I quickly take a few swigs of water and go back to sleep. He will have to put up with it I'm afraid cause I can't stand being ill anymore. But I tell you at first I thought it might be morning sickness and I got so happy that I was putting up with it until I realized it's too early for that. My test date is Wednesday , how to be patient? God help me!!!!

LOL, thanks, no more soy for me, as for the RE, i was seeing one, he was a real idiot, i had a m/c panel run, it came back normal, they just say its my old eggs. I wish i could go see a new RE, but we are out of insurance money for meds, we tried the last IUI cycle with clomid, and a small dose on gonal f for a few days, i had three eggs, but it did not work. DH and i are thinking about looking into a different RE's office, i wont go back to this one. They wanted to just brush me off because of my age, i remember the first time i met with him, he told me i needed IVF, and i said well i got pg on my own 7 mo before and he said "That one did not count" so we tried our first IUI and i responded well i think i had a total of 6 mature eggs, but it did not work, we did another IUI in August and it did work, well then all of a sudden he was like well you dont need IVF, duh, we did another IUI in October of 09 and that was the one that i never felt any pg symptoms, i figured it did not work, but it did that one the numbers were rising, but slowly, i asked 3 times if they could check the prog, and they refused saying it was fine a week before the pg test, it would still be fine. Well i went for an u/s at 9 weeks, and they said they could not see the baby anymore, he told me it was a blighted ovum, which i was shocked, ummm a blighted ovum means there never was a baby. He wanted to schedule me for a D&C the very next day, i refused, two days later i went to my OB and asked if it was possible for it to just disapear, and he said no, then he asked what my hcg and prog were at and i said i did not know, they stopped testing the hcg weeks before, and never tested the progesterone. He ran a test for both, my hcg was pretty high, the prog was only at 5.5, he said that normally if it was a m/c they both would go down, but in my case it was because of the low prog that we were losing the baby. He tried to put me on prog sup, but it was too late. I ended up having a d&c on Christmas Eve. I was so upset, we got to see the u/s from the OB's office and the baby that was "Gone" and the RE could not find, was right there, it looked like a little gummy bear, with tiny arms and legs So now i still have no baby, and i am out of money for insurance, we wasted it all on that idiot RE but i refuse to give up!! We may contact a different RE and see what they say, i could afford to do another IUI with clomid and a small dose of injectables, i could not do all injectables, as it would cost us about $4000. I really wish we could do an IVF cycle, but to spend 15 grand, and not have it work, its just too expensive. Sorry i got so long with this. I am praying for all you lovely ladies, thank you so very much for welcoming me into your group. Oh and i hope you dont mind that i am not in the over 40 group, i read their responses when their thread was moved, wow, thats all i have to say, there was a whole lot of anger in that room lol.

 

[onmymind17]

Ladies,


AF reared her ugly head today. Just another disappointment along this journey. I'm not in a very good place right now so I'm sure I won't be posting for a few days or longer. I have to get myself together

Big warm hugs are comming your way, you take all the time you need, i am sure we will all be here to welcome you with loving arms when you return.

 

[onmymind17]

MA when are you finding out if this one's a little girl or a boy? I just can't wait. I always read your posts first to see if you're gonna mention this time.

Well, the gender sonogram is next friday. I had hoped I would have it last friday but they only wanted cervical length that time. We DID see the baby though.

I hope he or she cooperates. Everytime we've seen the baby, the baby is head down and body twisted. Jackson played the modesty card with my last pregnancy until wk 22, two days before I gave birth to him I found out he was a boy. Hopefully this time will be different and we'll find out next week. I'm not sure I can handle finding out the same time we found out with Jackson. I guess it's a mind over matter issue and I don't want to deal with the pain of knowing the gender while also trying to get past the 22wk milestone. Sounds silly I know, but until I get past both the 22wk milestone and then the 24wk viability milestone, I'll just be on edge.

Doug gave me my second 17P injection an hour ago. Again the injection itself didn't hurt. Did I mention I have a HUGE bump on my right butt cheek?? Apparently it's normal for the solution (because it's so thick) to stick to the muscles and cause swelling. I kept wondering why I've been in pain most of the week and then felt the muscle back there. I do hope that the injection on the left side won't have the same affect as it will be quite funny to see if I can actually sit at all let alone figure out which side to sleep on with a full swollen bum.

All in all, Next week will be my gender scan and they'll also check the cervical length which I hope will be staying put having had the injections. I pray they calm the cervix AND the length issue.

Glad to hear from everyone. It's amazing reading your journeys and I honestly can't wait to celebrate with you all when you finally get your beautiful bfp's and hold your babies in hand. I keep saying THEN we all need to meet at Disney World and share in each others joys and triumphs together. I have quite a few hugs I have to dish out in person!

Ohhhh owie i remember those prog shots, and yep i had the same problem with them, one side swelled up really bad, the injection themselves was fine, i used to put an ice pack on it for a few seconds, and never felt the needle at all, but afterward, my bum was so sore. I did those over a hear ago, and do you know to this day that one spot still itches lol. I am new here, but i wanted to say congrats on your pg, you ladies are my inspiration that this can and will happen for me and all these other lovely ladies!!

 

[Baby4MJ]

HA, thank you so much for letting me know about the FMLA and ADA thing! I will definately contact my HR dept. That is a great peice of information.

MA, you are right about feeling rushed. I feel rushed whenever I go to the clinic. Actually, they tell me to lay on the table for 5 mins! They actually set a timer and everything so the last time I did the IUI alone so I had to jump off the table and turn it off myself. That is good to know. I understand you not wanting to attend church on Mother's Day. I feel that this weekend will be tough for all of us.

Ginger, woo hoo! 7 more days! I'm fx'd for you. You and DH are so cute! You make a lovely couple.

Luvvie, I hope you have a very romantic and relaxing time at Big Bear. Sounds like a real treat!

Never, that is good you feel more relaxed this cycle. I think that helps a lot.

dwrgi, enjoy the play. I think its important for us TTCers to keep doing things we enjoy to keep our mind off of TTC. I hope AF doesn't show!

AFM, its my friday off so I'm just relaxing and not thinking about work. I work 9 hour days so I can have every other friday off. I work for the Navy and we just got a new captain. I would say that she looks like she is in her early to mid 40's. She was talking about finding an oncall nanny. I asked how old her children were and she said 2 and 5 months. That actually made me feel good seeing a woman having children later in life. I was wondering if she ever struggled too but I don't know her well enough to ask. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend. It feels good getting back to catching up with all of you beautiful ladies.

I'm glad your DH went to the appt with you. And I'm glad they can do the monitoring a little closer to home. If you're confused about the follies, call back and talk to a nurse and keep asking questions until you're comfortable with the answers. As for work, good job on not punching the boss.
Totally would have been my instinct! Being off work for IVF appts should be covered under FMLA (if your employer has enough employees to fall under FMLA jurisdiction, that is). Talk to someone in HR, or to someone at your clinic. As far as I can tell from a quick google, the ADA defines infertility as a disability and, as such, your employer has to make certain accommodations such as time off for treatments. Hang in there.

Thanks for the hugs.

Hi!

Just wanted to pop in to let you know that I work in HR and I administered and managed the FMLA and disability area for my employer for 12 years, so if you need any FMLA advice I'm here for you!

 

[Baby4MJ]

Ladies,


AF reared her ugly head today. Just another disappointment along this journey. I'm not in a very good place right now so I'm sure I won't be posting for a few days or longer. I have to get myself together

I'm sorry about the ugly We need to ban her from this group
This is a wonderful group of women and I believe I speak for all of us when I say that we're all here for you to pick you up when you're feeling down...when you're ready.

 

[skye2010]

MA sorry I'm being nosy, I think this one will be different but I agree finding out on the same time as Jackson might be painful. I;ll shut up now and just wait. )

Praying Horribe witch again. I'm sorry hun, take it easy and have some rest. I hope you would feel better tomorrow.

Onmymind. I can't believe that they haven't tested your blood levels. How crazy is that? It's so sad you would lose your baby because of an idiot dr. By the sound of thing that dr is an idiot who is trying to blame you for it. Old eggs is the easiest excuse they come up with if they can't achieve unfortunately. Th embryologist in Turkey told me that which was so untrue. My eggs were bad quality because of wrong medication protocol and they didn't want to admit it. You should definitely see a different dr if you can. I'm sorry that you used up most of your resources but you still can have your baby. xxx

 

[onmymind17]

MA sorry I'm being nosy, I think this one will be different but I agree finding out on the same time as Jackson might be painful. I;ll shut up now and just wait. )

Praying Horribe witch again. I'm sorry hun, take it easy and have some rest. I hope you would feel better tomorrow.

Onmymind. I can't believe that they haven't tested your blood levels. How crazy is that? It's so sad you would lose your baby because of an idiot dr. By the sound of thing that dr is an idiot who is trying to blame you for it. Old eggs is the easiest excuse they come up with if they can't achieve unfortunately. Th embryologist in Turkey told me that which was so untrue. My eggs were bad quality because of wrong medication protocol and they didn't want to admit it. You should definitely see a different dr if you can. I'm sorry that you used up most of your resources but you still can have your baby. xxx

I think for me that was part of the problem, they were using such high doses of the Gonal F that it was damaging the eggs even more. By the time we did the last IUI cycle with injectables we only had 3 mature eggs, and they had me on 450ml of Gonal F for a week and a half. When we did the last IUI cycle and only used the clomid followed with 75ml of Gonal F for 3 days, i had 3 nice eggs, i think they were shocked that i responded as well with just the low dose as i did with the high doeses. I really think they messed up the last IUI cycle, they let it go too long, one egg was at 24 when i did my trigger, and i had a 16mm and a 17mm, i really think the one egg, was just too big and the others did not get big enough. I think i will go see a different RE, a girl in my office is going to go see this woman, and she had been recommended by another girl that just loved her. I think i might try royal jelly and CoQ10 just to help things along. I have also thought about getting Fertilaid again, i used it once, for about two months before my IUI cycle in October that we lost it at 9 weeks, and that cycle i actually had 12 eggs!! Every other cycle i will have 3 to 5.

 

[FutureMommie]

Ladies,


AF reared her ugly head today. Just another disappointment along this journey. I'm not in a very good place right now so I'm sure I won't be posting for a few days or longer. I have to get myself together

I'm so sorry the witch showed, take all the time you need and we are here for you when you return.

MA- I know you are cautiously excited to find out the gender of you little one. I can't wait to read the post. I know all is going to be well.

 

[gingerbread]

Thanks to you all about the picture. It may not last long(DH doesnt like it because it doesnt flatter him) but it was such a happy day that day...we had gone to Hot Springs for St. Pattys day parade & I was 10dpo back in March(3rd iui) and we were sure I was prego that time John Corbet(Aiden on sex&the city/also in My big fat greek wedding) was the grand marshall-MAJOR CRUSH!!! And his band played after.

Praying Im so sorry about AF. You take all the time you need..we will be here for you when your ready.

Onmymind & baby4mj on my earlier post when I put mmc I thought that meant multiple mc but apparently not. Ooops!

Nikki are you doing better hon? I dont know if you watched LMN "William & Kate" but the guy they picked to play Prince Harry is a JOKE! Did him no justice at all!!!! I hope you & DH are working out the $$ issue. I know its a huge decision & just sickening to not even have a gurantee with it. Thats something DH & I have been struggling with as well which is kinda why I was relieved he wanted to try one more iui. I hope your doing well.

to everyone!

 

[Nikki Leigh]

^^ I always take a few days off when the witch shows too.

Welcome to the newbies. Hi to all. I'm finally caught-up, but too much has happened to do it justice. Thanks for the information and words of encouragement MA, Skye, and Ginger (great photo by the way--you're so pretty).

AFM: Started 50g Clomid yesterday. A bit of muscle/jaw soreness and a bit of a headache, but that's it. I think this will be unmonitored save a CD21 progesterone test. Prior to this, I was trying all natural--no IUI, no Clomid, no nothing. In my talk with DH, he was willing to support whatever I wanted to do--I think meaning the Clomid at this point. He just didn't want 4-5 babies, which clearly, I shared with him, there is nearly no risk in happening with Clomid--I'll be lucky to ovulate one egg. I have enough Clomid for three cycles. After that...don't know.

 

[gingerbread]

^^ I always take a few days off when the witch shows too.

Welcome to the newbies. Hi to all. I'm finally caught-up, but too much has happened to do it justice. Thanks for the information and words of encouragement MA, Skye, and Ginger (great photo by the way--you're so pretty).

AFM: Started 50g Clomid yesterday. A bit of muscle/jaw soreness and a bit of a headache, but that's it. I think this will be unmonitored save a CD21 progesterone test. Prior to this, I was trying all natural--no IUI, no Clomid, no nothing. In my talk with DH, he was willing to support whatever I wanted to do--I think meaning the Clomid at this point. He just didn't want 4-5 babies, which clearly, I shared with him, there is nearly no risk in happening with Clomid--I'll be lucky to ovulate one egg. I have enough Clomid for three cycles. After that...don't know.

Well Im crossing everything for you

 

[Mommy's Angel]

Ha, I'm really sorry to hear that you've been going through such a turbolent time. Losing your auntie and kitty must have really added to your sadness. Moving is also a very stressful event let alone moving miles away from where you live. Perhaps your DH said what he said cause he was at a low point himself and he needed a break out of thinking about TTC just like you did. And perhaps this is his way of purging it out of his head. I hope this is a temporary thought for him. I don't want to give you a lot of "sweetie, cheesy" encouragement cause I know you don't like those. One thing I can't help but mention you have been pregnant twice in the last two years and you have every reason to think that you can get pregnant again. I have never been pregnant. I don't know what my problem is but I am just hopeful thinking I haven't finished exploring all my paths yet. I know that you actually don't feel too warm towards IVF but I just want to give some food for your thoughts. Your mc's was because of chromosomal defects if I'm not wrong. (?) The embryologists can actually test all the embryos for chromosomal defects. It is expensive but it can be done. They basically take some egg nucleus on the 1st day of the fertilisation, than 1 cell on the 3rd day of the fertilisation. They can confirm which embryos are all clear from any chromosomal defects. Don't forget you do produce at least 6 or more eggs in each IVF cycle so one some of your embryos is likely to be healthy. It just gives you a better chance of concieving a healthy baby. I actually thought of doing this but DH didn't want to spend all the money a) He didn't know much about chromosome defects b)we never had a BFP before let alone a mc so he thought the chances of us having a defected baby is low.
Also while on IVF the drs try to limit the body misbehaving (attacking the embryo, blood clotting etc) by various drugs and monitoring. I just wanted you to think that you might have another approach so I hope you don't find my comment intrusive. I love reading your posts cause you always give a deep thought into what you are going to say and they are usually very informative. So keep lurking pls ))

Hello Mrs J and Hello Scarlet yummy Strewberry cheeks

Onmymind I agree with MA just bin the isoflavins. Also I think you need a cood fertility specialist to look through your file and give you a reason for your mc's. Cause 4 mc is an indication of something. You can definitely get pregnant. But weather it's your body's immune reaction, your chromosome make up or any other problems, someone really need to look into that. There is nothing the supplements can do about the egg quality so no point in using the isoflavins.

Missy well done on convincing DH. Sometimes a good old stint works eh!!! The monitoring office is a blessing for you. Sounds really good. I don't know what does your dr mean by the mature follie though. Look you had enough follies growing each month of IUI so I wouldn't worry too much. The meds you will take will be more strong and they will produce more eggs for sure. But they can not tell if the egg is a good quality mature egg untill they actually mix it with the sperm. If the eggs outer layer peels easily letting the sperm go through and fertilise than they know egg was actually mature. Anyway I think it's great news that you can start IVF soon. It's a good back up plan The boss situation is well annoying (insensitive person) but try to not get worked up about it as long as you can get the time you need.

MA when are you finding out if this one's a little girl or a boy? I just can't wait. I always read your posts first to see if you're gonna mention this time.

Hey Twinkie does that mean you are back with us soon. 28 day cycle is a perfect cycle. Lucky girl. Do you think your cycles have improved. Also a biiig well done on the weight loss. You are such a determined person. You got through most of it so

Ginger, nice pict babe )) It's such a summery happy picture now I imagine you posting from an internet cafe while eating your melting ice cream. Hahaha. Will&Kate my favorite subject )

Luvy the jacuzzi suit sounds very promising Get busy lady And you don't need to be too precise about the Smep. Just have fun.

Dwrgi all my friends in facebook are going on about Duran Duran. And John Taylor was everybody's favorite except my oddball friend who was and still totally into Nick Rhodes Vaginal temps God the stuff we go through just to see a blue line on a stick eh!!! I'm sending you lot's of sticky dust baby, I hope the ugly witch stays away.

Nevernever writing is a way of healing so well done on the diary. Doesn't matter what words you chose as long it makes you feel better to get it off your chest.

AFM I woke up with a pain which turned into a strong nausea today. It can't be morning sickness cause my transfer was only 5 days ago. I called the clinic and the girl who answered was lovely. She told me I needed to drink 2-3 glasses of water before I go to bed than take a glass every time I wake up to pee. I think that's what it is. I feel a bit guilty about waking the DH when I wake up to take my meds so I quickly take a few swigs of water and go back to sleep. He will have to put up with it I'm afraid cause I can't stand being ill anymore. But I tell you at first I thought it might be morning sickness and I got so happy that I was putting up with it until I realized it's too early for that. My test date is Wednesday , how to be patient? God help me!!!!

LOL, thanks, no more soy for me, as for the RE, i was seeing one, he was a real idiot, i had a m/c panel run, it came back normal, they just say its my old eggs. I wish i could go see a new RE, but we are out of insurance money for meds, we tried the last IUI cycle with clomid, and a small dose on gonal f for a few days, i had three eggs, but it did not work. DH and i are thinking about looking into a different RE's office, i wont go back to this one. They wanted to just brush me off because of my age, i remember the first time i met with him, he told me i needed IVF, and i said well i got pg on my own 7 mo before and he said "That one did not count" so we tried our first IUI and i responded well i think i had a total of 6 mature eggs, but it did not work, we did another IUI in August and it did work, well then all of a sudden he was like well you dont need IVF, duh, we did another IUI in October of 09 and that was the one that i never felt any pg symptoms, i figured it did not work, but it did that one the numbers were rising, but slowly, i asked 3 times if they could check the prog, and they refused saying it was fine a week before the pg test, it would still be fine. Well i went for an u/s at 9 weeks, and they said they could not see the baby anymore, he told me it was a blighted ovum, which i was shocked, ummm a blighted ovum means there never was a baby. He wanted to schedule me for a D&C the very next day, i refused, two days later i went to my OB and asked if it was possible for it to just disapear, and he said no, then he asked what my hcg and prog were at and i said i did not know, they stopped testing the hcg weeks before, and never tested the progesterone. He ran a test for both, my hcg was pretty high, the prog was only at 5.5, he said that normally if it was a m/c they both would go down, but in my case it was because of the low prog that we were losing the baby. He tried to put me on prog sup, but it was too late. I ended up having a d&c on Christmas Eve. I was so upset, we got to see the u/s from the OB's office and the baby that was "Gone" and the RE could not find, was right there, it looked like a little gummy bear, with tiny arms and legs So now i still have no baby, and i am out of money for insurance, we wasted it all on that idiot RE but i refuse to give up!! We may contact a different RE and see what they say, i could afford to do another IUI with clomid and a small dose of injectables, i could not do all injectables, as it would cost us about $4000. I really wish we could do an IVF cycle, but to spend 15 grand, and not have it work, its just too expensive. Sorry i got so long with this. I am praying for all you lovely ladies, thank you so very much for welcoming me into your group. Oh and i hope you dont mind that i am not in the over 40 group, i read their responses when their thread was moved, wow, thats all i have to say, there was a whole lot of anger in that room lol.

I've had my share of idiots. In fact, there were a group of them pertaining to Jacksons loss. We had a lawsuit case against them all and I decided NOT to do it because my husband works for the hospital and loves his job. In fact, HIS floor is pretty awesome. I figured I'd be an advocate and went before the deparment heads including the hospital CEO and told them areas that needed to be changed. You can BET I'll be watching to be sure they've been taken care of when I'm there!

As for your eggs being old...Ummm considering your shooting out a good many follies I'd say you DID have an idiot for a Dr.

It sounds like you should be put on progesterone right away and monitored every other day for your levels upon bfp.

I would make a consult interview with several other RE's and find out how THEY would fit YOU. Do they listen to what you say? Are they taking time to explain things to you? When your doing fertility treatments will they rush you out, or take their time?? Finally, having had losses, will they test you for reasons why?

I would have the new one do another testing. I can't remember how far along you were with your losses, if you were early on or if you delivered like me. We had our placenta tested. They wanted to do an autopsy on Jackson and I REFUSED! Usually and hopefully you didn't have to go through this, they test the placenta and figure out why there was a mc as well. It's harder to tell earlier on of course.

Also, I left some links up a few posts ago on MTHFR. Have you been tested for that? Sometimes there's a blood disorder that causes several mc's. It sounds to me though as if you need progesterone therapy. Sounds like maybe you were on POI (progesterone in oil) or were you on 17P like me during your second trimester??

If you do injectables as I did with this pregnancy...my OB actually did one trigger shot to release the eggs and then 10 days later did another trigger shot for added progesterone. I know some women get three every third day or something to boost their progesterone. I'd never heard of that therapy before and for me the second trigger shot caused me to hyperstimulate because I don't have a progesterone issue in the 1st trimester. I have an issue in the second trimester with either IC or PTL or both It sounds like that may be a therapy for you though...the consecutive trigger shots to boost the progesterone if that's the culprit. But the fact that Dr. said your eggs are old. Umm...considering you've achieved pregnancies and have a butt load of eggs in my opinion (more than I had at least) it sounds like the issue is that you were not monitored and tested enough on top of having a progesterone issue. You'll have a better outcome with an RE that fits you. I think they sometimes forget that THEY are hired by US!

Praying, so sorry for this month dear. It's hard to get back up when you feel beaten up. All I can say is that WHEN it happens, all this pain will be worth it. I've had to take breaks and I've had to whipe myself off and start again. My patience was ALWAYS tested! For 10 years!

I pray that God would widen ALL your territories and would give you a multiple of descendents as He did with Abraham and Sarah (who mind you was 90) If Sarah can have children at 90, I think we're spring chickens She too had to be patient. I keep thinking I'd LOVE to talk with her and some of the women in the Bible. I have so many questions and they had so much wisdom through their trials!

Skye, I don't think your ever being nosey at all. I freely share. Maybe sometimes a little too much. My hope is that I'll have a victory story to share with you girls as you will with me one day!!

FM, just gotta love ya

Okay, I'm trying to go back into hiding and let you all take over your board again. I'll be back to share any news if I get it while lurking to see how everyones doing.

 

[lavalux]

Hello Ladies, it's been awhile since my last post (I guess Thursday morning before my doctor's visit which I will share with you in a moment, but I wanted to follow up on some of your individual posts while I have the chance. But first, I'm so glad that the administrators moves our thread back to its old location where it will be easier to find us. Thanks especially to MA & those that contacted the administrators for the respectful, but firm request. It is such a great group and it is wonderful knowing what great advocates can do when they put their minds together. I never got a chance to send the administrators a note so thanks.

Ginger,
I love your new picture. You and DH make the cutest couple. You look super happy together. thanks for explaining the SMEP method. It sounds like what our RE had us doing for our timed intercourse cycle. Lots of BDing, but it was a break from every day for 6 days b/c at least in the beginning, it's every other day & it helps my DH to replenish his swimmies.

Missyt,
So glad that your DH went with you to your appt. Sometimes as much as our hubbies love us and want to support us, they need to hear the medical info from the doctor directly. Not being on the same page as your partner has got to be scary and lonely. Our DHs have their own fears and insecurities about infertility, but if they don't educate themselves, how can they possibly understand what we are going through? I hope that going to the Dr. together gave both of you some piece of mind about the process and your next steps.

Twinkle,
Great news about your regular 28 day cycles. I'm sorry that AF got you too. How are you feeling? You mentioned that you were working on weight loss. Sounds like you've done a great job! Weren't you getting ready for a friend's wedding? I remember you said you were trying on a dress ... maybe a bridesmaid dress? I'm sure you will look amazing.

Skye,
Thanks for the information that you gave me in response to my question about my shortened cycle. After meeting with our RE and looking at some charts & statistics, I learned that at my age (38-40), injectibles with IUI have a SLIGHTLY reduced rate of success than with Clomid & Femara (which have the same rate of success). You were right on when you said that I don't want to focus entirely on just getting more eggs without considering that quality plays an important part too. He said that with Clomid, one can expect to get 2-3 mature follies as opposed to Femara where you typically see 1-2, but that there is no difference when it comes to clinical pregnancy rates at my age. At ages younger than 38, injectibles + IUI have more success than just pills, but that changes at 38. With that said, my doctors suggested that since I've done 2 cycles with femara (1 natural, 1 IUI), we could mix it up and try something different. He said we could either do injectibles or Clomid this time. Considering the cost of injectibles, we went with Clomid this time. If this cycle doesn't work, we can add injectibles. I was happy that he admitted that this isn't an exact science, it's different for everyone, so we need to just monitor me really well and keep trying until we get the right combo.

Thanks, Skye, also for recommending the protein & water to help grow the embies. Apparently my lining is good, but my follies need all the help I can get to grow, grow, grow! By the way, why do you say that the nausea can't be a pregnancy symptom? I've heard that sometimes you have no symptoms and other times the nausea starts days after conception. You never know. I have a really good feeling about your IVF.

B4MJ,
Interesting that you mentioned that progesterone delays AF. I hate the wait of TWW & the last thing I want is to lengthen the wait while giving me false hope of being PG, but since my period came 5 days early this month (giving me only a 10 day luteral phase), my RE has promised to re-test my progesterone levels and give me suppositories if I want them. He said it can't hurt, and can only help. Fun, fun! Do you have a recommendation btn progesterone shots, cream, or suppositories?

MrsJob,
Love that pic of Scarlett. Is she a readhead with blue eyes? That is exactly what DH & I hope to have. She is a beauty!

HA,
that no OPK, no progesterone, no calendar thing sounds awesome. Since I had my trigger shot, my normally perfect BBT chart has gone completely wonky like a bad lie detector test. I am thinking about just giving up on the charting while I'm on a treatment cycle since my temps are all over the place and only stress me out.

I am sorry, HA, that you have been feeling so low. I can't believe you've lost 2 babies, a beloved kitty, moved so far away from friends and family, and have had your infertility struggles on top of everything. Especially with Mother's Day & an anniversary of a loss coming up. No wonder you are feeling down. I am so glad that you are getting counseling and considering an anti-depressant. I used to be on Wellburtrin & apparently, my therapist said that I could stay on it while TTCing if I want b/c it is safer than others. I was also happy to hear that you and your DH have such open lines of communication. I know that he has shared that he's having a crisis of faith, but I think about how the psalmist always railed at God and expressed anger and doubt when they prayed to Him. God can take it! He is strong enough! Even if your DH can't always feel it, God is holding you both in the palm of His hand. He has given you each other and other places to find support. He will see you through this dark valley to the other side and He will rejoice with you when you have you much-deserved baby. I am praying for you and your husband.

Thanks you also, HA, for remembering my shortened cycle issue. My RE said that most likely the meds did not cause my short luteral phase, but since I didn't conceive this time, the progesterone started declining naturally. He definitely explained everything satisfactorily to me & DH. That said, he is making sure to check my lining and follies carefully this cycle so I may have more monitoring checks in the TWW. I will say that after hearing from you that once you started your follitism, you had much heavier, but shorter periods, I do feel that the meds are having some effect. I went from 31 days on the dot, to 27. My period this cycle was so heavy the first day and since it was early I worried that I was having a MC. Two days later, my period is over! Usually, mine were 5 days long. So, obviously ... something is going on.

Never,
Six more days!!! woo hoo. You and Ginger are on the same schedule, right? I've got my fingers and toes crossed for both of you. Lots of prayers going out to my TTW girls.

Luvie,
Hope the resort is amazing & you and DH have a relaxing weekend away. That suite sounds awesome, but be careful about letting DH into the Jacuzzi. I've heard it's not so good for his swimmies. Hope you have lots of fun with the BDing.

Dwrgi,
Thanks for asking about me. You gave me a good laugh with the thought of your knickers being thrown on the stage. I remember my first Duran Duran concert & it was the one with the giant waterfall that sprayed down on the audience during the Reflex! I was soaking wet, but so proud to be sitting up close to the stage. I had crushes on all of them!

So you are on CD 25? You are on the homestretch! Are you trying naturally this cycle, then IVF in June? I hope you don't have to go there, but if you do ... at least you have some helpful, informed ladies like Skye to see you through!

MA,
I'm sure you are really missing Jackson. Especially around Mother's Day. It's so sad. I didn't realize that you had to deliver him. What a heartbreaking experience! I hope that this year, knowing that you are carrying a baby, you are already a mommie. You are carrying this amazing sticky bean. This will be the very last Mother's Day when you won't have a baby in your arms! Think positive! You are a source of inspiration to me! I will be praying for you that your next doctors visit not only gives you some gender news, but also that the cervix is perfectly intact and staying put. By the way ...

I LOVE THE DISNEY WORLD REUNION IDEA!

Nikki,
So you are starting Clomid this cycle? I have switched from Femara to Clomid and I start it tomorrow. I will be on the lookout for muscle/head aches. That's nothing I can't handle. I had a friend who hated it and said she was on monster with hot flashes and terrible moods on Clomid. I hope that isnt' the case for me. I sort of dread the switch b/c I had no side effects from Femara except bloating & ovary pains, but I wanted to try something different and see if my body responded better to the Clomid & produced more mature follies. I hope that we both tolerate the Clomid well and make some juicy mature follies ready for fertilization! Good luck!

Praying,
So sorry AF shoed her ugly mug! I just got mine 5 days early. Take the time you need to regroup and know that we are here for you. We need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and if it takes time and in my case, lots of chocolate and naps to overcome, then so be it!

onmymind,
Thanks for sharing your experience with IUI. I'm on my 2nd IUI cycle and it helped hearing your story. I'm so sorry that you had your miscarriages and had to suffer that loss! I know that the fact that you can conceive doesn't make it any better when you don't have a baby to show for all your struggle, but it is only a matter of time before you have that sticky bean and deliver a beautiful, healthy baby. I'm so glad you've found us on this thread. I feel the same way about IVF. We do not have the money right now and have decided to stick with several rounds of IUI, then take a long break (like a year) before pursuing frozen donor egg IVF down the road. If we are going to spend that much $, and in light of my "advanced maternal age" (don't you hate that term!!!), it makes more sense to focus now on IUIs and if that doesn't work ... while we save the money for donor egg IVF, maybe a miracle will happen & we will hit that jackpot on our own. My mom had me naturally at 42 so it's possible! Two things that you mentioned in your post that was interesting ... one that you didn't have any PG symptoms despite getting your last BFP. That is always reassuring as I stress over every twinge in the TWW. Also, you said that the lower dose of injectibles wourked better than the higher dose of Gonal F. If this Clomid IUI cycle is unsuccessful, we will add in low doses of injectibles. I will remember your observations.

FM,
Hope you are doing well! Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you!

To anyone else I missed, hugs!!!