TTC 1st child 35+ (Please spoiler any PG news/announcements).

Nutrition Lecture Notes-May 2012.

Need fats and protein, they are the ‘building blocks’ for hormones and fertility-modern diet is very carbohydrates based.

Body needs to have 18% body fat for ovulation to occur.

Proteins balance blood sugar (and can affect stress and hormones)

Men also need essential fats and proteins, as amino acids.

EAT:
• oily fish, salmon, tuna, mackerel and sardines (all small fish. Larger fish will contain more pollutants, hence warning to avoid too much tuna, because it has been found to contain high levels of mercury).
• avocado
• nuts and seeds
• unrefined oils.

AVOID:
• fatty meats
• fried foods
• full fat dairy
• margarine and margarine products.
• hydrogenated fats.

Hydrogenated fats are a big no-no, as they disrupt hormone balance. Use butter instead (mix butter with olive oil and put back into the fridge, and use as butter).

Proteins.
EAT:
• lean meat and fish
• nuts and seeds
• tofu
• pulses
• beans
• lentils
• EGGS! Lots of!

AVOID:
• fatty and processed meats (salamis, hams, etc.)
• excess ANIMAL protein
• fake meats (vegetarian chicken, etc.)

Buy organic dairy and meat.

Carbohydrates should always be wholegrain versions.

Antioxidants.
Counter the effects of cell ageing and protect the sperm.

Found in:
• vitamins A,C and E
• zinc and selenium
• carotenoids and bioflavonoids (found in fruit and veg).

Eat more brightly coloured foods: red, orange, yellow. Eat dark berries, wholegrains and nuts and seeds.

Go for 5 different colours a day, not 5 A Day!

Minimise:
• burnt food
• smoked foods
• alcohol
• smoking
• excess salt and sugar.

Alcohol depletes selenium and vitamin B and causes the risk of infertility (this can be counter-productive. A few glasses of wine a week can help with stress).

Caffeine causes low sperm count and motility, and will take longer to conceive (7/8 cups a day! 1 or 2 are acceptable).

Nutrients Required.
• Vitamin A for implantation (don’t take supplements as they can be harmful). Found in sweet potato, carrots, squash, red meat).
• Vitamin B, synthesises sex hormones
• Vitamin C, develops collagen membrane and protects it from DNA damage
• Vit E-protects DNA and sperm (oily foods, nuts, seeds).
• Zinc (THE fertility nutrient), important for hormone balance, egg development, fertilisation and implantation. Found in seeds, shellfish, meat, fish and ginger.
• Selenium, protects against heavy metals and sperm formation.
• Iron-carries oxygen to cells
• Magnesium-good for blood sugar and sperm production



What To Eat.
• 1 portion of dark green leafy vegetables per day
• 1 portion (small handful) of nuts and seeds per day
• 5 different coloured fruit and veg per day
• 3 portions of oily fish per week (at least)
• Protein every day, ideally something with each meal.

Stress.
Cortisol can affect implantation and causes a rise in blood sugar levels.

Important to get blood sugar levels balanced. Focus on low glycemic meals, which regulate blood sugar.

Avoid WHITE carbs, focus on complex carbohydrates.

Ways to regulate blood sugar levels:
• Have your breakfast within one hour of getting up (cortisol is activated within the first 20 minutes of waking, so eating in this time will help keep it under control).
• Have three meals a day and two snacks per day.
• Have protein with each meal.
• Avoid excess caffeine and stimulants.
• Reduce white foods.
• Eat cinnamon, which balances blood sugar (sprinkle it on your coffee in Starbucks, not the chocolate!)

Increase your vitamin B, wholegrains, magnesium, vit C, etc.

Stress reduction: yoga, walking, exercise, meditation, gym, etc.

Hormonal Balance:
• Fats and proteins, antioxidants, etc.
• Low GI complex carbs
• Phytoestrogens (plant based tofu, pulses, veg, etc.)
• Organic foods
• Oily fish, nuts and seeds
• Fruit and veg.
• Dark berries
• Avoid high GI carbs, caffeine, smoking, alcohol, saturated and hydrogenated fats.
(Avoid overly processed soya).

Liver
Need to make sure your liver is working properly. It helps break down hormones. Good foods for this are:
• Cauliflower
• Broccoli
• Beetroot
• Onions
• Garlic
• Lemon
• Rocket
• Watercress

Daylight-get at least 15-20 minutes of daylight on your face per day! It’s also a stress reliever.

Suggested Daily Diet.

Breakfast: porridge with oat milk, 1 tsp ground almonds, mixed seeds and blueberries (buy frozen berries as well as frozen veg).

AM Snack: apple, almonds, pumpkin seeds.

Lunch: wholemeal tortilla with chicken, avocado and rocket.

PM Snack: babycorn and sugar snap peas with houmous

Dinner: grilled salmon, steamed broccoli, baked sweet potato and spinach with lemon and olive oil dressing.


Ciao bellas! :happydance:
 
Ohh Dwrgi - I am hoping your Doc can track some down for you!! Ill keep fingers crossed for you hun xxx
 
:wave: Jules and welcome!

It's great that you're having all those tests done. If you've got any questions about them just ask away, I think between those of us here, we've pretty much had every test under the sun!

But I hope your stay here is a short one & that you'll be moving onto the pregnancy boards asap! :flower:

Dashka - sounds like you've got a fair bit of organising to do. Hope you find an RE that you click nicely with. :thumbup:

Thanks Manuiti! I hope it's a short stay as well, and I hope the same for everyone else on here! Tuesday is the Hsg for me, and I am so ready to to get that test over with! I just worry because my mother went through EARLY menopause at age 38 and my sister had a HUGE cyst on her right ovary at 17 and they had to remove both her right ovary and fallopien tube, so long story short she never fell pregnant after MANY attempts and several different meds. I just worry that my window of opportunity is closing radpidly. It's definitly scary because I do want a family and just hope I am able to conceive.
 
Good morning lovies!!

Gosh, it feels like it has been ages since I wrote on here! This week has been absolutely crazy! I was super sick yesterday... I think I allowed myself to het dehydrated, which is NOT a good thing, especially just after IUI. That wasn't exactly brilliant planning on my part. I'm feeling better today, though a bit worn-out. Spending the day overloading on H2O!

I'm just 3dpo/iui today, so have quite a wait left, but I am taking it easy this month and not stressing myself out worrying about symptoms etc. I can't... last month's BFN was just too dang emotional!

The pain I experienced this month with ovulation was just waaaaaay too intense... I have never experienced this before, but ovulation/iui caused cramps so intense that it extended to the point that it caused (Sorry tmi) severe rectal pressure! I couldn't sit... not at all! Sneezing/coughing/laughing was just out of the question! I was terrified something was wrong! Between my tummy and the... pressure... I couldn't do anything but lay in the fetal position on my bed and cry!

So I think that if this turns into a BFN that I'll be in the same boat as you, Owl. I think that my poor ovaries will need a break from the Clomid for a month or two. That'll let us catch up financially, too, without having to spend $1k/month on spermies and procedures.

I have been keeping up with you all, I promise! I just haven't had the time to type back to each of you, and I'm so sorry for that! :hugs: :hugs:

Each and every one of you are in my thoughts every day! Looking forward to some BFPs this month on this thread!

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Good morning ladies!
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Fly F – well since I’m a trained holistic nutritionist (not practicing anymore)… I tend to think on the side of yes – diet is really important – but I wouldn’t say that is the only reason why people don’t get pregnant. It does help though for people who have more challenges in TTC and most importantly for your ENERGY level and emotional well being. Don’t get me wrong – I often treat myself –chocolate, chips even – but it’s the 80%-20% rule – It’s not what you do some of the time – but what you do MOST of the time that matters. It sounds like your energy is really low – so I would say it would definitely help to get more fruits/veggies in there to help you through this craziness of TTC (and just daily life in general). Make sure you are drinking tons of water too –especially if you are drinking caffeine – cause it dehydrates you – but you probably know that. Good luck to you!:thumbup:

Owl – sorry to hear you have to take a break – but hope you enjoy it!:hugs:

Dwrgi – Hi ! Yes re: those supplements that boost immune system – I know it is so tricky /confusing isn’t it!!!:dohh: I wonder the same thing and asked my ND that question. Like almost everything boosts the immune system (and typically we all want that to prevent illness! So it’s so damn hard)… Even Vitamin C does…. I believe Royal Jelly does too and I just starting taking that a few weeks ago…. I don’t know what to think anymore or if I even need to worry about it since I don’t know if I have the immune problems/elevated NK cells. I would say go with your gut…. If you think you should leave it out for now then do that. :hugs:
Awesome work on the nutrition notes too!!! thanks for posting that! It is awesome. :thumbup: I really hope you get that pregnyl soon! and hope the weather improves too!:hugs::kiss:

Jules – GL on the HSG on Tuesday! :thumbup:I am sure that the RE will send me for another one when I see them in July… (haven’t done one in 7-8 years)

HTJ – glad you are not stressing about symptoms this month.:hugs: I am the same… it will drive you crazy and for me I know that it just makes getting AF that much harder. I am also not testing early this month – going to wait until I’m late -if I make it that far.:winkwink:

Chicken - I know I said it yesterday - but HAPPY BIRTHDAY TODAY AGAIN!!


Hello and Hugs and loves to everyone !!! hope you are having a FAB day and enjoy the weekend ladies!!!:hugs::hugs::kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss:

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xoxox
 
forgot to say - I had the most amazing acupuncture session last night... Hadn't been in a month..... For the first time i started a long, detailed visualization while I was lying there with the needles in me... I visualized DH and I living in the place I have dreamed of always visiting (Tuscany ) and we had a house on a huge hill overlooking a huge vineyard and we had our AD and another baby girl (???) and our little doggie was there too and she had a doggie sibling too...AD was around 5 yrs old. I envisioned the house, the patio, us eating wonderful fresh Italian food - fresh bread, cheeses, olive oil, basil you name it.... My mouth was salivating...... I was so into this visualization - that I could feel amazing energy flowing through my body like I've never felt before - don't know if it was because the needles were in there too.... but it was UNBELIEVABLE. I have always tried to visualize before -but the thing that made it different this time was all the details I put into it..... ie. the colour of the tablecloth, kitchen tile, the hairband in the baby's hair, the view from our kitchen.... everything brought it to life and brought a huge smile on my face.... Now that's what I call ENERGY.

it was so awesome -I need to do that more often - like everyday.....
 
Dw- relax... Well I'm not going to the gym cause of my tush pain. Also spent all day everyday sitting in court. So physically relaxing but not exactly emotionally relaxing
 
welcome jules.

wishing all you lovely ladies a wnoderful weekend.

vx
 
Hi Beautiful Babes!

I'm so sorry, but you were all right - I've been super-duper busy since I've been back, I've been trying to catch up on sleep & deal w/jet-lag & I've been floating in the clouds all at the same time!!! So, Dwrgi, I am floating down to home base, but only for a little while!!! :haha: I'm still so full of energy from my UK trip. I thought it was going to be a vacation w/some training & it turned out the be a pilgrimage & a life-changing experience for me! LOVED it! The history, the ancient sites, the energy, the ley lines, the fantastical legends tied to mysterious places... Ahhhh :cloud9:.

Then I got home. First thing I hear when getting in the car - BIL is fighting for his life in ICU for the past week. He got an infection, went septic, went into coma & no one found him for 2 days & now he's in ICU w/MSRS, jaundiced, on dialysis, etc. been giving him my "advanced" reiki almost every day. All of a sudden, today he is off the ventilator, able to talk & no dialysis for today! Yay, but not outta the wood by any stretch. he is riddled w/infection still...

So, going there means I have to work until 6-7pm to make up for time lost. Also, jet-lag, work crazy, trying to unpack, go thru pics each day & post on FB (some really awesome pics), spend time w/DH, and catch up on his biz stuff - its too much but strangely i am not stressed at all??? I LOVE THIS!!!

AND, I got really CRAP news from IVF Dr. Fly, do you go to IVF FL? Because I got the good ole old eggs/donor eggs pitch & he completely disregarded my MTHFR & thromb saying yeah fine, take folate but it has nothing to do w/RMC & I'm not going to treat you w/heparin. told him my story & he agreed on the baby aspirin saying "it won't hurt" & wants me to do progest suppositories. So, doing retesting Day 3 FSH/AMH & AFC even though I think he's a buffoon, or maybe its the truth & I don't wanna hear it? IDK I said no to DE, he still tried to sell me on it & I got a little pissy w/him after that (but with loving energy, of course :haha:) So, doing more tests, more confused than ever & at this point I think I'm at the point that if it doesn't happen, I will be OK.

Oh - chart is odd, too. Didn't think I o'd at all (not uncommon after mc as Butterfly knows), but then today temp went up - ??? Whatever, maybe progest got held up - its still back in the UK...(where I wanna be - ok, except the weather part!) haha - figure THAT one out FF!

Sorry I have only been able to catch up here & there & so now I'm caught up but don't have time but for a few posts rt now:

LadyH - HAPPY 40TH SWEETIE!!!! :cake::cake::cake::cake::cake::cake::cake::cake:

Chicken - HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU TOO!!!

I will have a couple of :wine: - one for each of you tonight (see how kind & thoughtful I am?) :haha:

Dwrgi - :hugs: YAY for Noresth.... & GL for getting pregnyl (is it same as steriods bodybuilders take?). Did you TTC this past month or put on BC - forgive my ignorance in that whole process, I have a very rudimentary understanding of it all... (don't know if I should :dust: you or not so if TTC, then :dust:!)

Dashka - :hugs: Keep on :cloud9:, honey - that's so awesome you were abel to visualize that much detail - wow! My :howdy: to you! YAY for 2 Dr's too - and don't worry about bloody u/s. I have to have one Day3 too - in a week or so... :dust:

Butterfly - oh you get big giant :hugs::hugs::hugs: & big baby vibes for this cycle honey!!!

Purps - :hugs: just bc you are always so thoughtful!

Fro - Sorry bad dreams but hope you are back on :cloud9: :hugs:

Asry - 13 wks :cloud9: :hugs:

DrS - Awesome on everything that has been happening!!! yay! I bet you are going to do so well & :dust: in 2ww! :hugs:

HTJ - :hi: honey! I'm keeping everything crossed for you! :dust: & :hugs:

Pad - glad you loved Florida! I added you to reiki list but with a caveat "pink energy only please"! You know PCOS really messes w/temps. I've seen PCOS charts w/temps all over the place & seen some with very long cycles, and just very erratic, so it may just be normal for you? But total crap in trying to time things I agree! :grr: I hope AF stays away bc you may have caught it anyway!!!

Manuiti - big :hugs: to you darlin' :flow:

Welcome new ladies - DrH, Fly, Owl & Julie! :flower:

:hi: to Miriam, Nessaw, GreekPorn, HA, Bumble & all you other lovelies! I know I will forget someone but big luvs & :hugs: & crazy positive energy ~~~~ to everyone, plus the fairy :baby: :dust: I got from Entrance to Fairyland (well, a lot of you were with me there too - more later!)

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:wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::wohoo::loopy::loopy::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::coolio::coolio::coolio:
:headspin::headspin: on end of Marking Period & picnics by the cliffs!!! LOVED the cliffs & sea... Story later :hugs:
 
OMG I did the biggest reply to everyone and bloody bnb never posted it!!!! GRRRRRR

Happy Birthday Chicken and Lady! Hope you are enjoying your day! 40 is survivable.. I went through it in March and I am still here! hahahaa

Lils! I was wondering where you had got too... I really hope your Brother is OK! Heavens you have had a hell of a welcome home haven't you? Gotta say if you ever want to swap countries I am your girl... we love it over at FL and had the best time.... I even got to swim with manatees and rubbed a manatee's tummy as he swam next to me! AMAZING! I am a bit of a nature freak... Am feeling pink all over now I know you were sending me the vibes! Am pleased you enjoyed it here hun... but I don't have PCOS.... I guess my body is possibly giving up on this baby making lark, hence my temps are everywhere?... I dunno...

Dwrgi... check you our foodie guru! What is pregnyl? The steriods I take are prednisolone, 25mg from BFP.

Dash that sounds the most amazing visualisation I have ever heard.... even made me see it!... A baby girl eh? Well I hope your vision come true xx

Hey Manu! How are you recovering now? Have been thinking of you x

Hey Butterfly that house buying and selling in lark is a major pain! Hope all is going smoothly for you!

Hit I have everything crossed for this IUI for you.... it all sounds really positive... literally! Hahahaa

Hey Purps! How are you and baby bump doing!

AFM... well I tested on Tuesday and got a massive snowy white out, had the test from Boots left over from last Oct when my ED failed.... so I am now CD 34 and no sign of AF.... can't help but indulge in some symptom spotting... this is guaranteed to bring AF LMAO!! So may risk another test... just in case... though temps are screwed as usual... ahhh who am I kidding??
 
Dwrgi- Thank you for typing all of that out! I'll have to cut and paste that and put it on my fridge! :) That was a bit overwhelming (for a non-cook), so thanks for the quick and dirty meal plan at the end!

Dashka- Thanks for the advice! I don't eat a lot, I just go without at times because of work, and then only have snack bar food available. Once-in-a-while I get to the point of my hands shaking slightly, which my husband gives me crap for (not like I plan it)! I also don't drink water much at all (just being honest). I am just a bad food planner, and I can't cook to save my life. I'm always tired/exhausted, so I drink a couple cups of coffee in the AM. I have low iron at times, and the Doc (regular doc) said my BP is low, but it's what it's always been, and I believe it's fine. (92/55) I think a big contributor to my lack of energy is the food issue. I just wonder if it's part of the reason my eggs (AMH and FSH) appear old.

Thanks again for your help and time!
 
LILS-
I do not go to IVF FL, and am totally new to the whole RE thing. Initial appointment was 6 June, and I received the "doom and gloom" this past Wednesday after my HSG and FSH lab came back. HSG looked like it went fine (tubes open, but polyp that needs to be removed), my numbers were just poor, I guess: AMH 0.93 and FSH of 16.5 with an AFC of 12. Are you anywhere close to that?

I was contemplating just having my polyp removed in July, and trying on our own for a couple months, even though I was told we (me-my issue) had about a 2% chance of conceiving on our own, and 10% with IVF. She told me after the FSH results that she was skipping the shots and IUI graduated approach, and recommending going direct IVF.

I am not totally sure how I feel about IVF as I am not educated on it enough, and I don't want to let any viable embryos die. She stated that a "normal IVFer" might have 11 eggs, half of those might fertilize, half of those might continue to multiply/grow/be viable, and that my numbers might be half those numbers, if I were lucky. Meaning 6 eggs, 3 fertilize, 1.5 (technically, obviously not realistically) are viable. This facility will implant one or two, so, If my best chance is having 1.5 (1 or 2) then I wouldn't have to be concerned about an embryo dying while being frozen or subsequently thawed, correct?

But, what about genetic testing? What if a person opts to genetic test the embryos/blasts and the 1-2 embryos come back with an abnormality? She stated they will not implant an embryo with a genetic abnormality-that it wouldn't be viable. Do they know, somehow, that the abnormality would make the embryo non-viable? A person can opt to not test the embryo also. Then they would implant it without knowing if it had a defect. Has anyone else felt concern about this at some point? Thanks!

Sry for the ridiculously long post.
Thoughts?
 
Hi Pad! Swimming w/manatees? - you lucky girl! Where was that? I have never done that, only swam w/dolphins in captivity & in the wild. You may hate to hear this but we had a very cold December Christmas before last & soooo much of our wildlife died :(. There are only about 1400 manatees in the whole state (world?) & about 400 died. Also all of our giant/medium iguanas died, too. All bc of 3 weeks of coldish weather (50-60F). YES, let's do the house-switching thing, but I think I will prefer to come there in August next time :haha: Really - you weren't absolutely boiling here (esp in Orlando - hotter than S FL bc its inland)?

Fly - my AMH is .84 which my orig RE said was expected for my age & google said was "low normal"? FSH 9.4 & AFC 15. I have since gotten pregnant 2x, but lost both but I am not necessarily convinced it was due to old eggs. Not ruling it out, but also not convinced bc I have MTHFR & thrombophilia issues which prevented me from getting pregs for 1.4 years. Only when I addressed those was I able to get pregs again. Just can't keep em - maybe due to more aggressive blood-thinners needed, or maybe old eggs or maybe 1 week post-surgery, or - who knows at this point? Anyway, I don't know about IVF bc I only went there for 2nd opinion for RMC & treatments. Walked away w/compltely diff opinion so now I guess I'll need a 3rd opinion for a tie-breaker. I may have to venture down to Miami, but you would think w/Boca you'd have a great selection...? Where in FL are you (generally - you don't have to be specific - big state). I'm sure one of the IVF-smart ladies can help you w/IVF questions. But my (newest) Dr did recommend that if AMH OK, do meds, take eggs, do the gen testing & then they'd freeze any viable ones ("if" any & if none, then old egg theory proven - just a very $$$ way to prove it!). None would be "fresh" - I'd have to go back a month later for implant since they send out for testing, but apparently (as "he" says) it doesn't seem to matter fresh or frozen... IDK but GL on your decision. I suppose if you put it that way, I'd rather have them tested - you'd find out so much, even if its totally bad news, at least you'd know & wouldn't have to fool around anymore time-wise??? (that's how I feel anyway - just tell me; its the not-knowing part & indecision & confusion that's killing me..)

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Oh Pad - so sorry, why do I keep thinking you have PCOS?! :dohh: Thyroid maybe? My head is still in the clouds (but that's OK, you'll forgive me). :hugs: Pink :dust: Soooo hoping this is your month! But in your chart it shows EWCM CD30 & WCM after? That's supp'd to be fertile CM so you may not have even o'd yet? (also bad girl you haven't been temping so no wonder FF is all confused :winkwink: :haha: ). I know - I missed a few days while on holiday myself (who wants to temp when having fun right?) FX!
 
Yay lilS you are back :happydance::happydance: Siunds like you have been hugely busy though! Terrible news about your BIL but good that he is getting better. :grr: to the docs saying ED -surely the fact that you are getting pg means something. It's BS I think :growlmad:

Dwrgi - loving the picnic scenario :thumbup: and hope the pregnyl turns up :wacko: email on its way today you mind reader :friends:

On my phone and have completely forgotten what else I was going to say :dohh:

Oh yes pad, maybe you only O'd a little while ago. I'll keep fingers crossed :hugs:

Chicken belated happy birthday :cake:

Dashka amazing visualisation :cloud9:

Lady H hope you are having lots of :wine: this weekend :happydance:

Purp, neesaw, fly, bumble, owl, jules, dr x2, Manu, Htj, fro, Asry, Greek And anyone else :hugs::hugs: and :dust:
 
Hi Lils, yup not only swam with them but actually touched them too... and saw a mother and calf.. truly lucky. When we went to Sanibel we were standing chest deep in the sea and a pod of 5 dolphins, with mother and calf swam within touching distance of us, plus saw racoons and ospreys. I feel so lucky having seen so much wonderful wildlife, it was incredible! I know we have our own wonderful wildlife here, but foxes, squirrels and rabbits are no where near as exciting! LOL

And yes... I will take my telling off about temping! LOL I actually just got the VIP pack just now and it says I haven't OV'd and I am fertile now????? Eh???? On CD 35 really?? LOL Still no sign of AF........

Fly when you have PGD, which is IVF with genetic testing they will test the blasties for the most common genetic issues such as downs, edwards etc. If you have a specific genetic issue as I have they will also create a specific protocol to check for that as well. As they check all blasties that have survived and look a good grade they can make sure that they only put back the genetically normal ones and the ones that aren't would not have in all probability survived anyway. The body has a great quality control system and only those with a good chance of survival in life will stay. IVF is a massive deal for your body as it basically fools your body into changing its natural cycle and boosts certain hormones artificially, but for many it does work eventually. It can take a few goes for the Dr to get the right combination of drugs and timing for you. I would recommend researching thoroughly before making a decision.

Gah Butterfly... I have no frikking idea what is going on with me... my temps have never been normal... may get a new thermometer...
 
forgot to say - I had the most amazing acupuncture session last night... Hadn't been in a month..... For the first time i started a long, detailed visualization while I was lying there with the needles in me... I visualized DH and I living in the place I have dreamed of always visiting (Tuscany ) and we had a house on a huge hill overlooking a huge vineyard and we had our AD and another baby girl (???) and our little doggie was there too and she had a doggie sibling too...AD was around 5 yrs old. I envisioned the house, the patio, us eating wonderful fresh Italian food - fresh bread, cheeses, olive oil, basil you name it.... My mouth was salivating...... I was so into this visualization - that I could feel amazing energy flowing through my body like I've never felt before - don't know if it was because the needles were in there too.... but it was UNBELIEVABLE. I have always tried to visualize before -but the thing that made it different this time was all the details I put into it..... ie. the colour of the tablecloth, kitchen tile, the hairband in the baby's hair, the view from our kitchen.... everything brought it to life and brought a huge smile on my face.... Now that's what I call ENERGY.

it was so awesome -I need to do that more often - like everyday.....

Dash-thanks for the info re. immunes. It is a complete minefield and the only real answer is to go for tests, but I'm trying to avoid spending another £1800 if I can avoid it! I know this is foolish if you consider that I may have immune issues which may affect my ability to have a succesful IVF outcome, but if this cycle fails then I shall have to bite the bullet and fork out before the fourth (free) cycle. :nope:

That visualisation experience sounds really amazing. I had read that before-you need to focus on the minutest details to make it more real. Wow, sounds really incredible.

Hope you have a lovely weekend,
Axxxxx
 
Yay-Lils is back! :plane::plane::hi::hi::awww::awww::awww::yipee::yipee:!! Glad to hear you got home safely but, OMG, what a dreadful story about your BIL. I'm glad that you were able to help, and so glad also that you found coming to the UK so uplifting and invigorating. If only our weather was better, and it seems to have got worse as I have got older, you can't tell me that's nothing to do with global warming! :nope::nope::nope:

So typical that you got the ED talk, it is just so patronising, but, on my other thread (sorry! :blush:), there are a number of girls who have tried and failed on their own, and are using donor eggs from Russia (100% success rate at the clinic so far!!!), or going to IVI Valencia, which has a special partnership with my clinic. I know a girl locally, 35 years old, who had a low amh, and had three goes at OE IVF and all BFN or mc. Anyway, she says, 'Phut' troops off to Valencia, and lo and behold, first go, up the duff with twins. She's since lost one, but is now 5 months preggers with the other and she says she feels no different to the baby than if it was her OE.

What I am trying to say, in my long winded way, is that I think it is essential to try IVF or whatever treatment/protocol with your OE first. You have to, for peace of mind, and the sense that you have tried. If that doesn't work, then consider the alternatives. It's not as uncommon as we are led to believe, to get preggers with a low amh. I think a lot of these REs want to cover their a%ses (American term there!) so they have better success rates and advise on OE. But, if you haven't had any IVF before, then, for me, I'd say you have to try with your OEs first. End of sermon, :haha:

I hope you get somewhere with those tests that you've had, and get some good news soon!!!

Wow, the wildlife in S Flo Rida sounds amazing! :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

Fly-you said about trying by yourself once the polyp had been removed. I remember reading once that doctors were frustrated that they were getting women with known fertility issues late in the day, so to speak. You are far likely to have a successful IVF, the younger you are. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone for IVF four years ago, giving me a better chance of conception. Of course, a lot of my time was spent sitting on an NHS waiting list, which I just think was bonkers now. So, if you have got a problem, then I would strongly encourage you to seek assisted conception. Bottom line is we don't have time to waste! Hope this is not too direct (of course it is!!), but I have some experience with this issue, and I believe strongly in this!! :hugs:

Pad-what the blazes is all that spiking about? It is so bizarre! However, if you haven't got PCOS, then it might be worth getting a new thermometer, and see if that helps. Your holiday sounds amazing! Am dead jell. My Al won't consider anywhere with hot sun, hence we almost killed each other in Portugal last year, and I LOVE the sun, so my holiday future is very bleak!!! (Bloody men!). If that VIP thingie says fertile, worth having a pink go surely????!!! GL!! :hugs:

Butterfly-:flower::flower::flower:

Pregnyl is the trigger shot that I had in March. It's an older version to Ovitrel (which everybody seems to use these days), but it's not as good for women who are low responders, aka moi. I just hope that my consutant, Amanda, can track some down.

Am a bit disgruntled atm, tbh!! My SIL (in Oz) has been TTC for 4 years. She is Polish, don't know if this is relevant. Anyway, we've always been quite chummy (once I learnt to overlook her constant 'darlinks' to my brother which had us all puking behind our seats), until she had a second mc in Feb. I waited before emailing her and mentioned that it might be worth having immune tests (this was her second mc; she had one at 10 weeks, and this at 8 weeks), and since then she has completely blanked me. She blanks my posts to her on FB, doesn't answer questions that I ask her online, etc. I asked my brother and he knew nothing about it. Anyway, I sent her an email on Monday asking if there was anything I'd done to offend her, etc., and was also quite chatty, so it wasn't all "intense" stuff. Not a single dickie bird. I think this is a. passive aggressive, and b. ignorant, and c. rude. If I approach my brother, he will undoubtedly take her side and say that I'm stirring, so not going to do that. I'm just not going to expend any more energy on her. But why be like this? What is wrong with people? I have enough sh&t in my life with bloody TTC, without Madam behaving like a completely spoilt you know what. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. It's really annoyed me this week. And, my blooming brother keeps posting pics of her on FB-:grr::grr::grr::grr:

Rant over, I'm going to thin out the beetroot now, girls. What an exciting life I lead!!! :nope::nope::nope:

Love to you all, and have a great weekend!!!!

P.S. Lady H-enjoy your party tonight!! :wine::wine::wine::wine::wine::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk:
 
Hi ladies - good morning!

I don't have much time - gotta run - but wanted to say... (by memory)

Lils - WELCOME BACK GIRL!!! :kiss:WE MISSED YOU!! so happy that you had a great time!:thumbup: It sounds like it definitely changed you....:hugs: I'm so sorry to hear re: BIL ....wow what a shocker that must have been.... I hope he is still getting better slowly.... and glad that your reiki is helping him.... what a gift:hugs::hugs: What a crap RE head --:grr::grr:-ofcourse he is going to give you the 'old eggs' rap... I know I'm going to get the same thing soon... I think what Dwrgi said about trying first with your OE is good plan...:hugs:

Pad - wow you had quite the nature experience woman! I swam with dolphins once in Cuba and was in heaven....(but they were confined)... I hope FF is right and you are fertile now... :hugs::hugs:

FlyF - re: not eating much .... try packing some nuts like almonds, walnuts or a trail mix you can make yourself - almonds, dried cranberries (or raisins), pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds etc.....in your bag for you to munch on throughout the day to keep your blood sugar stable and energy up.... and drink water as much as you can. That should definitely help with energy. Don't know much about IVF yet - so sorry can't help out there too much. Good luck hun!:thumbup:

Dwrgi - :saywhat::grr: about the SIL???? well don't give her another thought then - I can't stand that -when you put energy into other people for nothing.... She should understand that you are going through the same thing! (unless she doesn't know?) have fun thinning out the 'beet root' - do you actually grow your own beets?? so cool... Good luck hun!!:hugs::kiss:

Gotta run - and sorry can't name everyone today - but just wanted to send hugs and loves to ALL!!!!

have a great weekend!
xoxo:hugs::hugs::hugs::kiss::kiss:
 

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