Maddy we weren't given the option. She didn't think that boyf s/a was an issue and I think alongside the fact that we'd managed to
get pg meant she just did meds. However after reading that a lot of people have iui and us am a little concerned. All I have is my cbfm which she told us to ignore so we didn't get stressed-as if! Then cd21 bloods to check the prog for ov. Don't even know how I get the results of that test. Oh well. I'm not expecting it to work first time whilst secretly hoping it will!
Owl follies sound great. Good luck for sat.x
cc my fs told me to lose a bit of weight. Am a size16-ssh don't tell anyone! Had already lost a bit which I think helped with the pg. But by the time I saw the fs had been comfort eating since the mmc. Back to swimming and sort of cuttingback now. Let us know how u get on.
Kismet nightmare about school work. For the first time in a half term I have nearly finished my to do list and we're only half way thro. Are they recommending anything for the agoraphobia?
Afm down to high on cbfm or 2 chillies as the boyf says-3 been hot and spicy! Got lots of bd in before and during peaks. This cycle I want to make sure we dtd a gd few times during 2ww to cover the bases as last month we only did it once I think.
Off to c the house again today. Hoping that we will be putting an offer in. Fingers crossed.
Hello to everyone that I haven't mentioned. Hope ur all ok.xx
Chicken-huge good luck today. Be ready with loads of questions and if there's something that you're not happy with, then demand what you want. You haven't got time to lose (as if you need reminding)! I had this discussion on here, a while ago, and Happy Auntie was in the same situation. I said that, as time goes on, 'the unpalatable becomes palatable' and that is the experience of so many women who are TTC. I remember saying to my friend that "No way" would I do IVF, but when that's the only thing that will help, I did it. It is strange now, looking back, because I think I may have wasted time procrastinating, and getting my head around the concept of IVF. I distinctly remember being told by my (crap) NHS FS that I needed IVF, and I was devastated, as I kept hoping that it was simply a case of trying different things. I see other women going through the same thing, and I URGE people to be open to it, and not to spend too much time 'getting their heads' around it, because, like Dashka's consultant said even six months is a lifetime in fertility terms, and eggs seem to age at an incredible rate.
Ness-I think a lot of the above I would say to you too. My (crap) NHS consultant refused to do anything aggressive with me, after I had my miscarriage (after two years of trying!) because she said that we had nothing to worry about, that we HAD managed to conceive and that it could take two years at my age anyway. I was so peed off, that I demanded help, and she relented and we did the Clomid (waste of time, because I have always ovulated), then the IUI (waste of time as OH's swimmers had left the building). But, if it hadn't been for me, pushing for treatment, she would have been happy for us to try for another year on our own. They don't care about us, when we get to a certain age; they care about their budgets and see us as high risk, as, at our age, statistically, their success rates are low. Push push push for all the treatment that you can get. And I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY cannot emphasise enough to get your amh test done, otherwise you are fumbling around in the dark. If you have a high amh, you can afford to take your time; if you have a low amh, then you haven't got the time to waste on clomid, etc. Like I said, this is crucial, and not something to put off. My NHS refused to do it, and I had to pay £70, but it make everything clear, and I knew where I had to go. It was the best £70 spent. Remember, I got pregnant after 20 months of trying; I miscarried at 5 1/2 weeks and haven't had a sniff of a BFP since then. I would hate you to be in my position now, facing the prospect of £8k on donor egg treatment, or no baby.
I'm sorry if I'm being very direct, but if I could have my time again, I would do things very differently. Big
Owl-that sounds absolutely fab! I wish you well, and FX you get loads of good eggs!!
Love to everybody! Got to rush-corridor duty calls!
I said that, as time goes on, 'the unpalatable becomes palatable'....... Remember, I got pregnant after 20 months of trying; I miscarried at 5 1/2 weeks and haven't had a sniff of a BFP since then.
Dwrgi as usual you sum up so much of my experience in so few [slightly edited] words
We'd been married and NTNP for almost 3 years before our BFP and then a MC at almost 12 weeks. And like you, not a sniff after that until we got to IUI and the chemical pregs. And in some ways a "sniff" is almost worse than the real thing... I feel like I HAVE to see this process through to the end now. For us it's only 6 more months, so it's really a spring (oops sprint) to the finish!
Neesaw, I hope you caught that egg, sounds like you gave it a good go
Owl, your follies sound fab, great numbers, hoping you have more than one golden one in amongst that lot.
Maddy, 3rd time lucky with your IUI, heres hoping.
Dashka, I really wish you luck with your upcoming IVF, I have read your story and you sooo deserve it.
Chicken, I hope your appointment goes well today.
And hello to all the other ladies, only 1 more day till the weekend
Could I please tap into any of your minds that are experts on supplements. I currently take 1000mg royal jelly and 1000mg of agnus cactus along with various others but I'm wondering do the 2 counter each other. I have read that royal jelly is an estrogen supplement which worries me as I think I may be low in progesterone (my luteal phase is approx 11 days and I sometimes get spotting a few days before AF). I started taking the agnus cactus to try and level my hormones but worried that taking the royal jelly wipes off the balancing that the agnus may be doing. Phew, sorry, I took my time explaining that and it still isnt very clear
If anyone has any advice, it would be very much appreciated.
Just wanted to say hi again ladies and thanks for the welcome. I'm late coming in here and there is lots to read and catch up on.
I'm just curious, for those of you meeting with FS is your insurance covering everything? Also, has anyone else had problems staying pregnant, not getting pregnant and then gone on to have a healthy pregnancy? If so, what did you do different? Thanks for letting me join you all
Well that was a total waist of time. He is positive from my results that I have PCOS but because I am currently have regular cycles between 28-32 days he isn't will to do anything until we have been trying for another 6 months. DH has taken this as good news!!!!!! Oh and apparently if I lost some weight.........
Really P*ssed off right now and need some time out, Look after yourselves XXXX
Chicken? BIG grumpy face for your FS Will you go to get a second opinion? Maybe research and find someone in your area that specialises in PCOS? I'm soo sorry the appointment didn't go the way it should have
I've fallen behind this thread, again. But I wanted to say to Chicken that I can't BELIEVE that was all you got! No treatment, no plan, no recognition of your age?!?!?! Can you get a second opinion? That guy sounds like a waste!!!!
Sorry, I haven't been around much but have been reading
Chicken, massive
Welcome doorbell and hope
Doorbell there are a few ladies on here who have gone on to have a after 3 or more losses, neversaynever is one and padbrat and lilsluz are 2 who are on the way, I'm sure there are more
Nessaw, fingers crossed, sounds like you are in with a good chance
Maddy, really hoping this iui does it
hi to everyone else, seems like there are too many to mention
OMG after my nightmare the other night where I dreamed my ovaries dried up and had no eggs for IVF..... today on another board that I'm on, a lady that got a BFP from IUI with 2 follies has ended up with 4 heartbeats..... there can be TOO MUCH of a good thing!
CC hugs hugs....so sorry to hear that the consultation you waited so long for didn't answer your Q and didnt meet your expectatons. Re weight - maybe try atkins. I dd the induction diet and got preggers the next month. Best thing I ever did.
still working 12 -13 min and up to 16 hour days. Am really really stuffed.
maddy good luck for IUI
Hope wellcome
Nees wow wow wow regarding your offer being accepted!!! Yay yay yay
Hey Door... as the lovely Butterfly said I have been very lucky and am pregnant with my first after 10 years of trying and 6 mc's. It does seem like such an uphill battle, but with the right medical support and the knowledge that everyone here has it can sometimes happen....
Chicken.... say wha??? So what exactly is that FS's plan for you? Will they not treat you at present? Can you get a second opinion?
Nee! Yay on the house offer!!
Dash so pleased your shoulder is feeling better.... and how time is flying.... not long til your baseline!
Maddy and Owl... how are you doing.... grow follies grow!!!
Welcome new ladies!
G'day Drh! Hope you have put those high heels away!!
Darhlink. I just got five new pairs including red patent high heels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only three pairs of "stupid not preggo shoes" and with pointy toes and high stiletto heels... I did get two pairs of pregnancy shoes... block heels and round toes... just a little bit of a lift.. gotta look good while I still can!!!
I know I’ve been quiet! Too many work deadlines, tax season, personal stuff going on all at once. And then “supposed to be” resting as much as humanly possible & I’m terrible at getting that so I backed off BNB & FB & got way more this week (wow?!). So I may be quiet “for a bit” – sorry! I will lurk tho & still hope & say prayers for you all & send & +++~~~~!
DrH –
Congrats on your boy confirmation !!! You guys were right – loving the dangle angle! Well, not loving your baby’s dangle, but YKWIM –lol. . And YAYYYY for you getting to try for a next, see how things just “work out” like that? I tell you we think something’s bad & then wham, it turns out to be something even better than we hoped. Love how that happens! Are you & DH able to resume your regularly scheduled programming now??? Happy 50%!!!
Dragon – welcome! Yeah, I was just diagnosed w/a blighted ovum & waiting to mc when my BF delivered. I even visited her in the hospital – knowing my own baby had died & was still inside of me. That was rough. But I was still so happy for her. Anyone else? Not so much… And YES we ALL understand how you feel & have talked about it often!
Dash – thanks for the update on DrS! That’s awesome news. Where is she hiding? Hope your shoulder is feeling even better after that acup. I know pain & it AIN’T NO FUN! And when the OTC drugs don’t work, you know that’s when it really sucks. Hoping you DON’T have to go to get those baselines after that reiki-inspired, dreamy on O day!!! here's some Hail Mary
Ness – don’t put anything off or you will get bitter about the whole TTC thing later (or should I say “more bitter” about it?). Life seems to happen while we are busy planning or doing something else, it seems! Congrats on getting the mortgage – woot-woot! (perhaps you just needed that new house first before baby – NOW, baby can come! )
Pebble – Hail Mary cycle? I hope you don’t have to go to that FS. And as far as it not being fair for some of us to take longer or have more problems, etc? I'm sorry hun . If it helps, I like to think that its those special ones that take a little extra time (& I used to say this whilst still TTC):
A diamond may take 1 billion to 3.3 billion years to develop. They are formed from 87 to 120 miles deep into the Earth's crust by high pressure.
We’re all just going to give birth to diamonds, that’s all! (except I really hope it doesn’t take 3.3 billion years as we will all be a little by then! ).
Kismet – Vitex never did that for me, but DAMN, I’d never stop taking it if it did! I defo crave it at O time (TTC or not) but not like that – must be your estrogen getting up to par (or I’d say surpassing par) AND the way Dash responded to reiki, I would venture to guess that defo didn’t hurt! I always say my condition is due to western+eastern-medicine+prayers. (eastern being reiki!). I will say that if I work on my root chakra, um it brings up certain “feelings”. Matter of fact someone has accused a male reiki prac in one of our circles of purposely causing certain feelings to happen (like she was being energetically “fondled” or something???). Idk but she was an old cranky hag whack-job anyway, so why any man would want to energetically or non-energetically do anything to her is ridiculous! Sorry about the agoraphobia! You sure you aren’t just a private person who enjoys being indoors? (I’m sorta like that, myself). But hope you get to the bottom of it all.
Owl – That’s FANTABULOUS, babe! Grow follies grow!!!!! +++~~~~~~ Updates please - did you trigger???
Maddy – here’s to fun with dildo cams & “juicy uterus’s”! (uteri?) And thank you – I’ve never been accused of being stable emotionally! Here you go, this is one of my recent personal favs – you can use it anytime you feel the need: https://www.smileygarden.de/smilie/Crazy/40.gif
Pad – poor snot monster! Boooo! Hope the pool helped a little as I can imagine it was probs somewhat heated? You may have to slip a xanax in DH's morning coffee each day to get him to chill!
Doorbell – welcome . Hope you get the help you need & learn some new things by being here. Even if its “just” emo support, its awesome. Looks like you ‘ve had a lot of the “standard testing”, but you haven’t had any of the advanced ones? I’m really surprised they didn’t test you pre or post-failed IVF’s & espec after 3 years of trying!? Unless they had you on 5mg folate, and gave you prednisone, blood thinners, progesterone & the works post-IVF? I have them somewhere & can post later if interested, but I’d defo do them after 3 yrs TTC & espec at age 39! (which is not old, but if you have an issue, these things can take a while to resolve). Btw, I took both RJ & Vitex. RJ isn’t estro but it “has the propensity to mimic it”, so that’s much diff than taking an actual estro cream/supp (which has all kinds of warning bells attached to it). Royal Jelly is rich in amino acids (29 to be exact), lipids, sugars, some vitamins, fatty acids and most importantly, proteins: https://natural-fertility-info.com/royal-jelly.html. Hope that helps, but I’m not a naturopathic Dr...
Dwrgi – that’s’ the breaks they won’t give you IVF just bc you tried privately??? And yay to EWCM showing up early this cycle! Perhaps she is increasing her visits! And for make-up picnics & !!! And pretty castles that "maybe" you may want to tie a certain knot in???
Hope – welcome . I am sorry about all of your losses, hun. Hopefully the FS will get to the bottom of it. Its often due to clotting, immunes, lack of progesterone or old/bad eggs. You are officially “RMC” & may want to check out the RMC thread also as you probs have very unique issues & they will be very helpful with those. I’ve had 4 myself so I understand. GL (RMC: https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/miscarriage-support/127351-recurrent-miscarriage-thread.html). Also if you want to check out what I did, see my journal – very first page I list “almost” all the supp’s I took (the most impt ones) & I am RMC, too, so may help you. Also, my ins covered everything relating to testing & drugs 9not w/o a co-pay though of course!). Its usually just when you talk actual IUI or IVF you will be cut off completely – usually no tests or drugs covered unless you are one of the very, very, very few lucky ones or you live in Mass.
Chicken – WTF, he’s not even going to treat your PCOS just because your cycles are of a certain length? You are not f**king ovulating so how on f**king earth would you conceive in the next 6 months or 6 years!?
Excess male hormones produced with PCOS affect the production of female hormones necessary for ovulation. A woman with PCOS does not produce enough hormones to cause any of the follicles to mature. They may grow and collect fluid but none become large enough for ovulation. Some of these follicles may develop into cysts. Because ovulation does not occur, progesterone is not produced.Progesterone is what causes the lining of the uterus to thicken. A woman’s cycle will be irregular or absent without progesterone. https://www.justmommies.com/articles/pcos-and-infertility.shtml
I WILL say that given your chart, this makes TOTAL SENSE now! And now you can start tackling this thing! BUT, what a f**king a**hole! Sorry, but you have been waiting for so long so to get a cop-out response like that is just sh*t! What an IDIOT, please get a new Dr!
Also, the women I know who have PCOS have taken Vitex & have had somewhat normal cycles complete w/ovulation – I would get on that asap as it takes 4 mos to work (& its soooo cheap!). It balances out all your hormones. And yes, they defo are on the Metformin but you need a Dr to prescribe. And keep temping. It may make you depressed, but do it so that you have proof to show an intelligent FS that are NOT, in fact, ovulating AND your progesterone is not kicking in – hence, the level temps! (Um & DUH the blood tests too - what did he say about that? Writing off charts is one things but bloodwork???!!!)
Did you try Clomid yet, by any chance? I didn't think you did but can't remember. I’m super-pi$$ed for you too, if you can't tell. But please take this as a good thing that you at least know what you are dealing with – now you can kick that PCOS ot the curb!!! (just like I kicked that MTHFR to the curb!).
Mirium – PLEASE come on & let us know you are OK???
Moon – same with you, I am worried about you now!
Purps, BF, Pad, Twigs, Emily, Tiger, LadyH, Jenny, FlyF, & all the other 35+ beautiful babes! big luvs to all!
AFM –
I have a journal now so don’t post updates much as I don’t want to make anyone sad. But for those who don’t have time for jourals (& I understand that feeling!), I’ll say I am now 14+2 wks & in 2nd tri. Also DS & other trisomy tests came back very, very low risk – risk of teenager so I’m very happy! I won’t post many updates on myself, but here this was a milestone u/s pic of Lil Flo Rida (Dwrgi's nickname!) from 12wks if anyone interested:
TGIF, TGIFF & TFIF!!!!! Will someone take my tonight? Thank you for your graciousness!
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Chicken? BIG grumpy face for your FS 
Will you go to get a second opinion? Maybe research and find someone in your area that specialises in PCOS? I'm soo sorry the appointment didn't go the way it should have 
after 3 or more losses, neversaynever is one and padbrat and lilsluz are 2 who are on the way, I'm sure there are more 
!!! You guys were right – loving the dangle angle! Well, not loving your baby’s dangle, but YKWIM –lol. 
next, see how things just “work out” like that? I tell you we think something’s bad & then wham, it turns out to be something even better than we hoped. 
Love how that happens! 
Happy 50%!!! 
by then! 
anyway, so why any man would want to energetically or non-energetically do anything to her is ridiculous! 
Grow follies grow!!!!! +++~~~~~~ 
(RMC: https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/miscarriage-support/127351-recurrent-miscarriage-thread.html). Also if you want to check out what I did, see my journal – very first page I list “almost” all the supp’s I took (the most impt ones) & I am RMC, too, so may help you. Also, my ins covered everything relating to testing & drugs 9not w/o a co-pay though of course!). Its usually just when you talk actual IUI or IVF you will be cut off completely – usually no tests or drugs covered unless you are one of the very, very, very few lucky ones or you live in Mass.
Will someone take my 
tonight? 
Thank you for your graciousness! 
