Warning All Pregnant Women: Miscarriages From H1N1 Vaccine As High As 3,587 Cases

[peanut56]

As much as I don't like heated threads and people arguing, at least threads like these provoke thought, and inspire people to do their own research on issues like this one. That's always a good thing.

 

[SKATERBUN]

^^ very true, like I say I would much rather think about it for a minute rather than being treated like a mushroom I've always had an inquistive nature.

 

[Saywhat]

I think we have to also address how many pandemics we see in our lifetime PreggyEggy if that is the case? The above seems to be a little bit to do with ifs and buts? I agree with an amount of what you said. You still have a choice on a rushed out jab, and if worst came to worst people would take it if it meant that or certain death obviously! It just was not like that. And the original post is thought provoking, surely what a forum should be about?

As for this thread, it had a warning, and the OP has been brutally bashed and mocked in my opinion. I keep expecting Lindsay Lohan to jump out with her band of mean girls.

I believe the warning in the title isn't a warning about this thread potentially being upsetting, it's clearly a warning against the vaccine. It's also eye catching, let's face it, I bet the majority of people here have read it because it says "If you are pregnant, this is a warning to you". I also believe that the OP thought she was doing right, but I think a little more thought may have been needed. As I said, it's hardly really relevant to us here in the third tri now is it? Unless someone reading this had it months ago, and is now pissing themselves with worry. I'm not trying to bash the OP, as I know she was just acting according to her opinion and what she thought was the right thing to do.

We are extremely lucky that we haven't seen a pandemic in our life time, actually. Do you know that an influenza outbreak, such as H1N1, could potentially kill 7.4 million people world wide? It's not just ifs and buts, if it happened, it would be very bad. Surely it's better to be prepared? Are you aware of how many pandemics the world has seen anyway? Just a quick read through a wiki article will tell you. Everything from TB to the flu has been a pandemic at one stage or another, that's why we have vaccines. And we'd be at a huge risk if we didn't have them, thanks to the freedom of travel we have these days. It's not something we should sit around and shit ourselves over, but it's there.

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

Maybe it is scaremongering. Although I think Blutea is raising a question that a lot of people are asking these days. If another pandemic were to arise on something else, would the same worry cross pregnant ladies minds. Its an issue that needs addressing IMO especially as I would like to become pregnant again in the future.

The point you made above PreggyEggy leads me to believe that this may have been an overreaction on the governments part. Why stop offering the jab now, we still carry on immunising on some of the nearly defunct diseases like Diptheria, yet something that was clearly prevelant only last winter has virtually been forgotten about by some like it was just a load of panic over nothing.

I don't believe it was an overreaction, honestly. The potential threat was huge, and like I said, it's better to be safe then sorry. Diseases like Diptheria are only 'defunct' because there is nobody to catch them, apart from a small number of people, but if we stopped vaccinating, everybody would be at risk again. Imagine if say they stopped vaccinating against TB, and in awhile, a large proportion of the population was unprotected. What would then happen if there was an outbreak of TB in a developing country, which reached pandemic proportions? There would be a serious health risk.

I do indeed as i worked for charities for several years - coaching fundraising teams, mainly Red Cross and Amnesty. I'm fully aware of many awful diseases like Cholera anyway thats for sure. But pandemics i am still a little sceptical of as they always seem to be more fear and less reality. It just annoys me that we have to jump at the slightest spark of media or governmental propoganda. I am more worried about natural disasters weirdly. But yes i love wiki (especially wiki leaks - anything that exposes inside info) so i shall definitely take a look. I agree that its better to be safe than sorry, but it wouldn't change my view on this particular vaccine xx

Believe it or not, I'm not particularly for the H1N1 vaccine either. I was never offered it, but wouldn't have taken it. I mean personally, unless you're at risk from it (like a health worker or something), I don't see the need to take the risk and go for it because it didn't turn out to be so widespread and deadly. This is just a topic that sort of fascinates me, haha! I did have swine flu before I got pregnant though, and it was probably the sickest I've felt in my life!

It's awesome that you work for charities though.

Thanks, it really opens your eyes... Hence why i like to get stuck into the debate threads. The world is a crazy place. Child soldiers, torture, did you know it costs 32p for a tablet to CURE Cholera yet still millions die unneccessarily? I guess thats why i get angry about our choices and what we take for granted in the uk. I don't work for them right now (obv) but my OH still works for Amnesty doing a similar thing so i keep in the human rights loop. Always light a candle never curse the darkness ladies :O) Next year i'm going into teaching so its a natural extension. I just hope i'm not so opinionated with little primary school kids or the mothers will be on at me


Anyway! I'm off topic lol... I think you put your point across very well. What did swine flu actually feel like? Was it diagnosed? Our doctors surgery just had a note up saying if you suspect you have swine flu send a relative in for drugs or call NHS direct. That made me even more sceptical that people would just take it out of fear rather than even having the flu. Its all very controversial x

 

[ShanandBoc]

I can't beleive what I have read in these last few pages I really can't.
xx

I agree.

I decided against the vaccine and really you could say maybe i risked my childs life by NOT having it.

Either way that statement is directed is rude imo. No one here would risk their childs life, rather are trying to protect it.

The comment was completely out of line and unfair Lexi. It was quite clear how it was intended.

 

[Saywhat]

Saywhat its funny you should say that you are more scared of natural disasters, as I am more scared of our 'responsible' world leaders having a big bun fight. With whats going on in the world and the advancement of new weapons and all that. Anyway this is off topic so I'll shut up now A lot of ladies have expressed both their opinions on the rights and wrongs of this vacination, its been a very heated debate and theres a lot of hurt feelings and valid concerns, maybe its time to summerise and close? wheres OP blutea now??

Oh yeah i'm scared of the arms trade too.. Wow, most of our high street banks fund the arms trade. Watch Lord of War (quite factual for a Hollywood movie!) and backed by my beloved Amnesty. Oil/war/money that and natural disasters. Nothing in the uk scares me. Lol xx

 

[PreggyEggy]

I think we have to also address how many pandemics we see in our lifetime PreggyEggy if that is the case? The above seems to be a little bit to do with ifs and buts? I agree with an amount of what you said. You still have a choice on a rushed out jab, and if worst came to worst people would take it if it meant that or certain death obviously! It just was not like that. And the original post is thought provoking, surely what a forum should be about?

As for this thread, it had a warning, and the OP has been brutally bashed and mocked in my opinion. I keep expecting Lindsay Lohan to jump out with her band of mean girls.

I believe the warning in the title isn't a warning about this thread potentially being upsetting, it's clearly a warning against the vaccine. It's also eye catching, let's face it, I bet the majority of people here have read it because it says "If you are pregnant, this is a warning to you". I also believe that the OP thought she was doing right, but I think a little more thought may have been needed. As I said, it's hardly really relevant to us here in the third tri now is it? Unless someone reading this had it months ago, and is now pissing themselves with worry. I'm not trying to bash the OP, as I know she was just acting according to her opinion and what she thought was the right thing to do.

We are extremely lucky that we haven't seen a pandemic in our life time, actually. Do you know that an influenza outbreak, such as H1N1, could potentially kill 7.4 million people world wide? It's not just ifs and buts, if it happened, it would be very bad. Surely it's better to be prepared? Are you aware of how many pandemics the world has seen anyway? Just a quick read through a wiki article will tell you. Everything from TB to the flu has been a pandemic at one stage or another, that's why we have vaccines. And we'd be at a huge risk if we didn't have them, thanks to the freedom of travel we have these days. It's not something we should sit around and shit ourselves over, but it's there.

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

Maybe it is scaremongering. Although I think Blutea is raising a question that a lot of people are asking these days. If another pandemic were to arise on something else, would the same worry cross pregnant ladies minds. Its an issue that needs addressing IMO especially as I would like to become pregnant again in the future.

The point you made above PreggyEggy leads me to believe that this may have been an overreaction on the governments part. Why stop offering the jab now, we still carry on immunising on some of the nearly defunct diseases like Diptheria, yet something that was clearly prevelant only last winter has virtually been forgotten about by some like it was just a load of panic over nothing.

I don't believe it was an overreaction, honestly. The potential threat was huge, and like I said, it's better to be safe then sorry. Diseases like Diptheria are only 'defunct' because there is nobody to catch them, apart from a small number of people, but if we stopped vaccinating, everybody would be at risk again. Imagine if say they stopped vaccinating against TB, and in awhile, a large proportion of the population was unprotected. What would then happen if there was an outbreak of TB in a developing country, which reached pandemic proportions? There would be a serious health risk.

I do indeed as i worked for charities for several years - coaching fundraising teams, mainly Red Cross and Amnesty. I'm fully aware of many awful diseases like Cholera anyway thats for sure. But pandemics i am still a little sceptical of as they always seem to be more fear and less reality. It just annoys me that we have to jump at the slightest spark of media or governmental propoganda. I am more worried about natural disasters weirdly. But yes i love wiki (especially wiki leaks - anything that exposes inside info) so i shall definitely take a look. I agree that its better to be safe than sorry, but it wouldn't change my view on this particular vaccine xx

Believe it or not, I'm not particularly for the H1N1 vaccine either. I was never offered it, but wouldn't have taken it. I mean personally, unless you're at risk from it (like a health worker or something), I don't see the need to take the risk and go for it because it didn't turn out to be so widespread and deadly. This is just a topic that sort of fascinates me, haha! I did have swine flu before I got pregnant though, and it was probably the sickest I've felt in my life!

It's awesome that you work for charities though.

Thanks, it really opens your eyes... Hence why i like to get stuck into the debate threads. The world is a crazy place. Child soldiers, torture, did you know it costs 32p for a tablet to CURE Cholera yet still millions die unneccessarily? I guess thats why i get angry about our choices and what we take for granted in the uk. I don't work for them right now (obv) but my OH still works for Amnesty doing a similar thing so i keep in the human rights loop. Always light a candle never curse the darkness ladies :O) Next year i'm going into teaching so its a natural extension. I just hope i'm not so opinionated with little primary school kids or the mothers will be on at me


Anyway! I'm off topic lol... I think you put your point across very well. What did swine flu actually feel like? Was it diagnosed? Our doctors surgery just had a note up saying if you suspect you have swine flu send a relative in for drugs or call NHS direct. That made me even more sceptical that people would just take it out of fear rather than even having the flu. Its all very controversial x

Hehe, I love debate threads too, though it is sad when they get heated and personal...but then, with so many hormonal ladies, what can we expect? lol!

No, by the time I had it, they weren't testing to make sure anymore, so I guess I'll never be 100% certain. But I'm fairly sure I caught it from my sister in law, who had been in contact with someone who had been diagnosed, and she was also sick. I was lucky actually, because both my MIL and SIL were sick, when I started showing symptoms, I was able to get tamiflu right away - as I remember, they wouldn't give it to you if you'd been showing symptoms for more then 24 hours or something. Anyway, I was as sick as a dog. My whole body ached, had a temperature, couldn't even look at food, etc. But what really got me was feeling like I had no energy at all, to turn over in bed, even to think! I remember being sat on the edge of my bed, trying to think about what I was doing, lol. Would be awful in pregnancy!

Luckily the tamiflu worked for me though, and I felt better within a week, and 100% like 2 weeks later. My MIL and SIL weren't right for weeks after.

I do think it could have been handled better at surgeries and stuff...I think in the end, because nobody was sure who had what, and people were probably getting hold of tamiflu for the slightest sneeze, people got disillusioned over it, and that's why so many people thought the whole thing was just a stupid over reaction.

 

[subaru555]

I am slightly anxious now that maybe we made the wrong decision to have the vaccine because of this thread - it's been keepng me awake, now I'm worried something might be wrong with him when he comes out. I thought we'd made an informed decision but now I'm wondering whether it was informed "enough".

 

[blutea]

Saywhat its funny you should say that you are more scared of natural disasters, as I am more scared of our 'responsible' world leaders having a big bun fight. With whats going on in the world and the advancement of new weapons and all that. Anyway this is off topic so I'll shut up now A lot of ladies have expressed both their opinions on the rights and wrongs of this vacination, its been a very heated debate and theres a lot of hurt feelings and valid concerns, maybe its time to summerise and close? wheres OP blutea now??

I'm still here! Just catching up.

I've really enjoyed reading peoples input...when it was not directly attacking me.

 

[lexi_is_ttc]

I am slightly anxious now that maybe we made the wrong decision to have the vaccine because of this thread - it's been keepng me awake, now I'm worried something might be wrong with him when he comes out. I thought we'd made an informed decision but now I'm wondering whether it was informed "enough".

He's fine, hun. If you haven't had any adverse symptoms and he's been as active as usual, I wouldn't worry at all. Talk to your Dr/MW to put your mind at ease.

 

[AriannasMama]

Wow! I can't believe I just read all of this, lol. I got the nasal spray version of the vaccine, and my LO is perfect and healthy, and as for mercury being in the vaccine, its got about as much mercury as a serving of fish. In the end, getting a vaccine or not is your own opinion. but I must say, I got all my childhood vaccines + the H1N1 and gardasil shots, and I'm still here, lol (I was also put to sleep on my tummy in a drop-side crib *gasp!*).

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but we all need to remember to word them nicely to not cause arguments on an internet forum of all things, lol.

 

[NG09]

First off, to the people who are calling the OP 'irresponsible' for posting this thread- She clearly posted the word 'warning' in the thread title. If anything, YOU are irresponsible for opening the thread. Next time if these things offend your sensibilities, skip over it. Otherwise stop complaining. I personally am grateful for threads like these. It's nice to know about these things, whether or not the source is credible. And if you do a little thing called research, this isn't the only article out there that links the H1N1 vaccine to miscarriages.

Personally, I wouldn't put that shit in my body even if I wasn't pregnant. I'm not the pharmeceutical company's guinea pig. And I certainly wouldn't expose my unborn baby to it, ESPECIALLY because of articles and studies like this. I guess some people are okay with risking their child's life, but I'm not. My doctor mentioned the flu shot and I refused on the spot. I've never had a flu shot in my life anyway and funny, I've never gotten the flu.

In all honesty I can't believe someone would make such a disgusting, thoughtless, cruel comment but then again you are hiding behind an internet forum where you don't have to face the people you upset and offend, basically the cowards way, in my opinion of course.

I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I found that comment very rude and offensive to people like myself who had the vaccination with the best possible intentions. Thankfully my son is fine but what about people reading this who haven't been so fortunate, is your aim to make them feel as though they are to blame??? If is is shame on you.

 

[emmi26]

I am slightly anxious now that maybe we made the wrong decision to have the vaccine because of this thread - it's been keepng me awake, now I'm worried something might be wrong with him when he comes out. I thought we'd made an informed decision but now I'm wondering whether it was informed "enough".

He's fine, hun. If you haven't had any adverse symptoms and he's been as active as usual, I wouldn't worry at all. Talk to your Dr/MW to put your mind at ease.

i totally agree
hes fine hun please dont worry yrself. you could ask yr mw to reassure you but honestly if this study had been proven it would have been in the news and it hasn't. look in the first tri they've started a thread about the other side of the argument i.e the danger of not having it might make you feel better x

 

[polo_princess]

Im going to move this thread over to the News & Debate forum now, please observe the rules of that particular section ladies

 

[bubbles123]

I was offered the Swine Flu jab when I was pregnant and didn't take it. For two reasons really; firstly I work in a school and despite everyone around me getting it I never did, so I figured I had acquired some natural immunity and secondly it was just too new of a jab IMO. There was little evidence at the time that it had been properly tested on pregnant women (well, as much as any drug can be tested on pregnant women.) Had it been an older jab, then I might have considered it as more would have been known about any side effects. I have no idea if this article is true or not but I think it shows the dangers of rushing through public health policies with not a lot of though - you just create worry, for those who had the jab and for those who didn't.

I have no problem giving my LO the regular vaccines. I will probably give him the MMR. They have been around a while now - people who had them as babies are now adults so side effects can be assessed. Swine Flu jab was just too rushed in my opinion.

 

[cherryglitter]

I can't believe what some people have said, I really really can't.
But anyway..

Crossposting this in all of the trimester sections is a bit out of order. If I had read something like that in first tri having had the injection, I would have been distraught and would have probably blamed myself for something which would probably never happen for the next 28 weeks. I think it's disgusting and whilst some people have a right to their own opinion, there is just no need for it. It's like me posting, "If you smoke you will have a miscarriage" in all of the tri forums. Just think it's a bit strange if you ask me..

The WARNING title at the start of this thread looks as though it's been copied and pasted, it's not warning women who are going to open the thread at all.

On topic: Im not anti or pro vaccines. I just see them as things you have to have I was offered the h1n1 vaccine but just never ended up getting it. It was just one of those things I never made an appointment for. Otherwise I would've probably gone for it. As for 'putting crap in your body', we're so far advanced in medical 'science' I don't think they're going to vaccinate people with something that's going to cause mass harm to society?!

 

[lexi_is_ttc]

As for 'putting crap in your body', we're so far advanced in medical 'science' I don't think they're going to vaccinate people with something that's going to cause mass harm to society?!

The FDA couldn't care less if we put poison in our bodies, as long as they're making money off of it.

For example, Aspirin is FDA approved and supposedly 'safe' to take as recommended. Think of all the good-hearted people taking Aspirin for a headache. Did you know a common side effect of Aspirin is bleeding of the stomach? I'll pass. I'll take my chances with a headache.

The side effects of most 'FDA approved' medications are worse than the ailment they're supposed to cure. But I guess the FDA still cares so much about your safety!

 

[kirmal12]

As for 'putting crap in your body', we're so far advanced in medical 'science' I don't think they're going to vaccinate people with something that's going to cause mass harm to society?!

The FDA couldn't care less if we put poison in our bodies, as long as they're making money off of it.

For example, Aspirin is FDA approved and supposedly 'safe' to take as recommended. Think of all the good-hearted people taking Aspirin for a headache. Did you know a common side effect of Aspirin is bleeding of the stomach? I'll pass. I'll take my chances with a headache.

The side effects of most 'FDA approved' medications are worse than the ailment they're supposed to cure. But I guess the FDA still cares so much about your safety!

Aspirin only causes those problems if abused, it will not cause any problems when used safely stop scaremongering!!. My father has taken one aspirin daily for the last 8 years because of heart problems. I can assure you his stomach does not bleed and never has done.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Having researched a lot about vaccinations and I am 100% sure that the vaccinations I have given aidan are not shit and have helped him. Also as a trainee pediatric nurse childrens welfare is paramount
Xx

 

[cherryglitter]

Of course all medications are going to have SIDE EFFECTS if they are mis-used. It's common sense.

 

[PeanutBean]

Do you know some people actually die after eating meat because of preparing it improperly? We had better all become veggie in case it happens to us.