Warning All Pregnant Women: Miscarriages From H1N1 Vaccine As High As 3,587 Cases

[Saywhat]

First off, to the people who are calling the OP 'irresponsible' for posting this thread- She clearly posted the word 'warning' in the thread title. If anything, YOU are irresponsible for opening the thread. Next time if these things offend your sensibilities, skip over it. Otherwise stop complaining. I personally am grateful for threads like these. It's nice to know about these things, whether or not the source is credible. And if you do a little thing called research, this isn't the only article out there that links the H1N1 vaccine to miscarriages.

Personally, I wouldn't put that shit in my body even if I wasn't pregnant. I'm not the pharmeceutical company's guinea pig. And I certainly wouldn't expose my unborn baby to it, ESPECIALLY because of articles and studies like this. I guess some people are okay with risking their child's life, but I'm not. My doctor mentioned the flu shot and I refused on the spot. I've never had a flu shot in my life anyway and funny, I've never gotten the flu.

Been reading through these threads on immunisations for weeks now as I'm doing my research due to LO having her first batch at 8 weeks.
I didn't realise that there were so many people out there against vaccines.

On topic though, I had a letter about swine flu jabs while I was 12 weeks pregnant and declined the invite as not from reading 'scaremongering' stories but just the literature my Drs posted with the letter. Stuff like mentioning there were trace elements of mercury in the jab etc and mentioning side effects reactions and un forseen risks with having the jab whilst pregnant.
The risks of having the jab are 'supposed' to be less then actually contracting swine flu. A mother suffering from Swine flu as we have been told is supposed to a greater harm to an unborn child.

TBH I had a friend who supposedly had been in contact with 'swine flu' I went through the whole of winter coming in to contact with various other people who had contracted it and was lucky enough not to have caught it.
In the end it was debatable whether people knew the actual difference from normal winter flu (or a common cold!) and the real swine flu that was going around in Mexico.

I agree Lexi, I wouldnt want to put something that was so new and quickly manufactured in reaction to this outbreak in my body even if I wasnt pregnant.
Animal studies are pretty inaccurate tbh. And no I dont wish to be a 'pharmeceutical company's guinea pig'. Which raises the question how do we trust vaccines? Do we all have to take a gamble and hope they are right. Do we accept they know best and are not just out to raise a quick buck. They can only be sued if there were to be a mass outbreak of reactions, but individual cases where people have been apparently harmed cannot be dismissed. Theres always the 'what ifs'.
There seems to be so many cases now of side effects/abnormalities and they cant all be bandwagon jumpers/ compensation hungry people.

I'm just a bit confused by it all really, no i dont want to be at risk from disease, but I also dont want to be told to trust in something unknown that could also detriment my health.

Its ALL about money. I watched a Panorama docu about the way the drugs were rushed out at the height of the media crazed "pandemic" (yeah right! more people have died from actual winter flu). They sold 800 million worth of drugs to the government but refused to take back the meds/give a refund (as part of the contract) if all were not used. Trust them more now???

I took great pride in saying no thanks, i'll not risk that jab thanks. I'll take my chances in the real world where zero of my friends or associates have come into contact with swine flu! Oh and it also said that lots of Doctors were advising pregnant women not to take the jab. One said he would not give it to his pregnant wife. Thats quite enough for me.

 

[Mummietobe]

i think your bang out of order lexi, my son must be unhealthy because i let him have the jab but its ok your upsetting people because thats just your opinion isnt it????

 

[lexi_is_ttc]

i think your bang out of order lexi, my son must be unhealthy because i let him have the jab but its ok your upsetting people because thats just your opinion isnt it????

I never said that anyone's child is unhealthy. I just said that I would LIKE to think that mine is healthy because of my choice to not put drugs in my body. People who got the vaccine and regret it should have researched it. Why you would put something into your body without knowing exactly what it is and what it does is beyond me. I'm not for or against other people getting the vaccine, I'm against for ME and MY DAUGHTER to get it. I suppose I should have worded it better, but I would feel like I'm putting her life at risk by getting it. Others may not feel that way and it's perfectly fine. As I said before, to each their own.

 

[SKATERBUN]

I do agree Saywhat that pharmaceutical companies are some of the biggest capitalists out there, and our lives are in their hands. I am very much for not having branded drugs and vacines in the NHS - sorry maybe I'm being thick here but why is competition needed when it comes to something like health??
Also tests need to be more vigourous and not just hand out new drugs and vacines when there is a panic about a pandemic.
I question everything these days, I wont be treated like the proverbial mushroom, especially by the government!

 

[Saywhat]

I do agree Saywhat that pharmaceutical companies are some of the biggest capitalists out there, and our lives are in their hands. I am very much for not having branded drugs and vacines - sorry maybe I'm being thick here but why is competition needed when it comes to something like health??
Also tests need to be more vigourous and not just hand out new drugs and vacines when there is a panic about a pandemic.
I question everything these days, I wont be treated like the proverbial mushroom, especially by the government!

Absolutely, and what a government. They apparently used less than half of the drugs they bought from glaxo smith kline (i.e. root of all evil) and one small independent drugs company. The independent company gave them a small rebate, glaxo gave none. So the goverment loses yet more money

 

[PreggyEggy]

I'm surprised that so many people are shocked that the vaccine wasn't properly tested before given to pregnant women. While yes, the media did blow H1N1 out of proportion, the fact of the matter is that it had the potential to become a very serious pandemic. Pandemics are a serious threat to our society, and the vaccine was produced in an emergency as a response by world health organisations. It was known that pregnant women where in the at risk group, and they were offered the vaccine. At the time, H1N1 was set to affect a huge proportion of the worlds population, and many women could have died had they not made the vaccine, and H1N1 had been as bad as it was originally thought it was going to be. We are fortunate that H1N1 turned out to not be a deadly pandemic, and I suggest a lot of people in this thread go off and do some research into pandemics to see just how bad a real one could be for the whole world, before bashing how potential threats are handled.

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

I'm not even going to address some of the more recent and inflammatory comments regarding the use of vaccines. It's disgusting to insinuate that a parent is putting a child at risk by vaccinate them. We're entitled to our own opinions, but I'm going to be blunt here and say that's pretty messed up.

 

[Saywhat]

I think we have to also address how many pandemics we see in our lifetime PreggyEggy if that is the case? The above seems to be a little bit to do with ifs and buts? I agree with an amount of what you said. You still have a choice on a rushed out jab, and if worst came to worst people would take it if it meant that or certain death obviously! It just was not like that. And the original post is thought provoking, surely what a forum should be about?

As for this thread, it had a warning, and the OP has been brutally bashed and mocked in my opinion. I keep expecting Lindsay Lohan to jump out with her band of mean girls.

 

[SKATERBUN]

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

Maybe it is scaremongering. Although I think Blutea is raising a question that a lot of people are asking these days. If another pandemic were to arise on something else, would the same worry cross pregnant ladies minds. Its an issue that needs addressing IMO especially as I would like to become pregnant again in the future.

The point you made above PreggyEggy leads me to believe that this may have been an overreaction on the governments part. Why stop offering the jab now, we still carry on immunising on some of the nearly defunct diseases like Diptheria, yet something that was clearly prevelant only last winter has virtually been forgotten about by some like it was just a load of panic over nothing.

 

[PreggyEggy]

I think we have to also address how many pandemics we see in our lifetime PreggyEggy if that is the case? The above seems to be a little bit to do with ifs and buts? I agree with an amount of what you said. You still have a choice on a rushed out jab, and if worst came to worst people would take it if it meant that or certain death obviously! It just was not like that. And the original post is thought provoking, surely what a forum should be about?

As for this thread, it had a warning, and the OP has been brutally bashed and mocked in my opinion. I keep expecting Lindsay Lohan to jump out with her band of mean girls.

I believe the warning in the title isn't a warning about this thread potentially being upsetting, it's clearly a warning against the vaccine. It's also eye catching, let's face it, I bet the majority of people here have read it because it says "If you are pregnant, this is a warning to you". I also believe that the OP thought she was doing right, but I think a little more thought may have been needed. As I said, it's hardly really relevant to us here in the third tri now is it? Unless someone reading this had it months ago, and is now pissing themselves with worry. I'm not trying to bash the OP, as I know she was just acting according to her opinion and what she thought was the right thing to do.

We are extremely lucky that we haven't seen a pandemic in our life time, actually. Do you know that an influenza outbreak, such as H1N1, could potentially kill 7.4 million people world wide? It's not just ifs and buts, if it happened, it would be very bad. Surely it's better to be prepared? Are you aware of how many pandemics the world has seen anyway? Just a quick read through a wiki article will tell you. Everything from TB to the flu has been a pandemic at one stage or another, that's why we have vaccines. And we'd be at a huge risk if we didn't have them, thanks to the freedom of travel we have these days. It's not something we should sit around and shit ourselves over, haha, but it's there. What I'm trying to say, is that is why there was such a reaction to H1N1, and why the vaccine was made and offered untested. It's an awful choice to have to make really (potential risk to baby vs risk to your health), but that's life.

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

Maybe it is scaremongering. Although I think Blutea is raising a question that a lot of people are asking these days. If another pandemic were to arise on something else, would the same worry cross pregnant ladies minds. Its an issue that needs addressing IMO especially as I would like to become pregnant again in the future.

The point you made above PreggyEggy leads me to believe that this may have been an overreaction on the governments part. Why stop offering the jab now, we still carry on immunising on some of the nearly defunct diseases like Diptheria, yet something that was clearly prevelant only last winter has virtually been forgotten about by some like it was just a load of panic over nothing.

I don't believe it was an overreaction, honestly. The potential threat was huge, and like I said, it's better to be safe then sorry. Diseases like Diptheria are only 'defunct' because there is nobody to catch them, apart from a small number of people, but if we stopped vaccinating, everybody would be at risk again. Imagine if say they stopped vaccinating against TB, and in awhile, a large proportion of the population was unprotected. What would then happen if there was an outbreak of TB in a developing country, which reached pandemic proportions? There would be a serious health risk.

 

[lexi_is_ttc]

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

I'm not even going to address some of the more recent and inflammatory comments regarding the use of vaccines. It's disgusting to insinuate that a parent is putting a child at risk by vaccinate them. We're entitled to our own opinions, but I'm going to be blunt here and say that's pretty messed up.

Actually, I was just offered the vaccine at my 32 week appointment. So no, obviously we're not past the point of being offered one. I suppose that's why the OP posted this thread.

And as I said- in MY opinion, I would feel like I was putting my child at risk by getting one. I couldn't care less whether everyone else vaccinates or not because I don't have to deal with the consequences, if there would be any.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I can't beleive what I have read in these last few pages I really can't.
xx

 

[PreggyEggy]

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

I'm not even going to address some of the more recent and inflammatory comments regarding the use of vaccines. It's disgusting to insinuate that a parent is putting a child at risk by vaccinate them. We're entitled to our own opinions, but I'm going to be blunt here and say that's pretty messed up.

Actually, I was just offered the vaccine at my 32 week appointment. So no, obviously we're not past the point of being offered one. I suppose that's why the OP posted this thread.

And as I said- in MY opinion, I would feel like I was putting my child at risk by getting one. I couldn't care less whether everyone else vaccinates or not because I don't have to deal with the consequences, if there would be any.

I'm afraid that isn't what you said. What you said was:

I guess some people are okay with risking their child's life, but I'm not.

Which is clearly you saying people are risking their child's lives, whichever way you look at it.

 

[Saywhat]

I think we have to also address how many pandemics we see in our lifetime PreggyEggy if that is the case? The above seems to be a little bit to do with ifs and buts? I agree with an amount of what you said. You still have a choice on a rushed out jab, and if worst came to worst people would take it if it meant that or certain death obviously! It just was not like that. And the original post is thought provoking, surely what a forum should be about?

As for this thread, it had a warning, and the OP has been brutally bashed and mocked in my opinion. I keep expecting Lindsay Lohan to jump out with her band of mean girls.

I believe the warning in the title isn't a warning about this thread potentially being upsetting, it's clearly a warning against the vaccine. It's also eye catching, let's face it, I bet the majority of people here have read it because it says "If you are pregnant, this is a warning to you". I also believe that the OP thought she was doing right, but I think a little more thought may have been needed. As I said, it's hardly really relevant to us here in the third tri now is it? Unless someone reading this had it months ago, and is now pissing themselves with worry. I'm not trying to bash the OP, as I know she was just acting according to her opinion and what she thought was the right thing to do.

We are extremely lucky that we haven't seen a pandemic in our life time, actually. Do you know that an influenza outbreak, such as H1N1, could potentially kill 7.4 million people world wide? It's not just ifs and buts, if it happened, it would be very bad. Surely it's better to be prepared? Are you aware of how many pandemics the world has seen anyway? Just a quick read through a wiki article will tell you. Everything from TB to the flu has been a pandemic at one stage or another, that's why we have vaccines. And we'd be at a huge risk if we didn't have them, thanks to the freedom of travel we have these days. It's not something we should sit around and shit ourselves over, but it's there.

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

Maybe it is scaremongering. Although I think Blutea is raising a question that a lot of people are asking these days. If another pandemic were to arise on something else, would the same worry cross pregnant ladies minds. Its an issue that needs addressing IMO especially as I would like to become pregnant again in the future.

The point you made above PreggyEggy leads me to believe that this may have been an overreaction on the governments part. Why stop offering the jab now, we still carry on immunising on some of the nearly defunct diseases like Diptheria, yet something that was clearly prevelant only last winter has virtually been forgotten about by some like it was just a load of panic over nothing.

I don't believe it was an overreaction, honestly. The potential threat was huge, and like I said, it's better to be safe then sorry. Diseases like Diptheria are only 'defunct' because there is nobody to catch them, apart from a small number of people, but if we stopped vaccinating, everybody would be at risk again. Imagine if say they stopped vaccinating against TB, and in awhile, a large proportion of the population was unprotected. What would then happen if there was an outbreak of TB in a developing country, which reached pandemic proportions? There would be a serious health risk.

I do indeed as i worked for charities for several years - coaching fundraising teams, mainly Red Cross and Amnesty. I'm fully aware of many awful diseases like Cholera anyway thats for sure. But pandemics i am still a little sceptical of as they always seem to be more fear and less reality. It just annoys me that we have to jump at the slightest spark of media or governmental propoganda. I am more worried about natural disasters weirdly. But yes i love wiki (especially wiki leaks - anything that exposes inside info) so i shall definitely take a look. I agree that its better to be safe than sorry, but it wouldn't change my view on this particular vaccine xx

 

[lexi_is_ttc]

I'm afraid that isn't what you said. What you said was:

I guess some people are okay with risking their child's life, but I'm not.

Which is clearly you saying people are risking their child's lives, whichever way you look at it.

And if you read a few pages back, I admitted that I should have worded it differently. I explained what I meant by it.

 

[Saywhat]

I can't beleive what I have read in these last few pages I really can't.
xx

At least its back to its original purpose and not bashing.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

That is true. I find most of it interesting. Good bed time reading.
Xx

 

[PurpleKisses]

I've heard a lot of negative things about the H1N1 vaccine and I didn't get one last year and will not be getting one this year. Honestly, I haven't have a flu shot in about 4 or 5 years and have not had the flu, ever so to me, these vaccines aren't really necessary if you're healthy. As for the H1N1 vaccine, I don't think enough research has really gone into producing it, so I'll have to say no thanks.

I learned my lesson with the Gardasil vaccine, which was supposed to protect against strands of HPV that cause cervical cancer and genital warts. I received this vaccine shortly after DS was born and "coincidentally", shortly after that, I had my first pap smear that came back abnormal. Since then, I've had a myriad of problems including having to have a LEEP procedure because of pre-cancerous cells. I had one normal pap smear after my LEEP and then I started having abnormal paps again, although I was told that have the LEEP procedure was the most surefire way to make sure I had no further problems. It just so happened that I came across some articles one day that linked the Gardasil vaccine to actually causing cervical lesions and pre-cancerous cells. These things were never openly disclosed by the CDC.

I think Gardasil has been since pulled from the market, but it just goes to show what happens when these pharmaceutical companies put out vaccines and medicines without doing the proper research.

Personally, I'm on the fence about the regular vaccines that have been around for a while because me, nor anyone around me has had any adverse side effects from them...but I do get very skeptical about these new vaccines that are coming out.

 

[PreggyEggy]

I think we have to also address how many pandemics we see in our lifetime PreggyEggy if that is the case? The above seems to be a little bit to do with ifs and buts? I agree with an amount of what you said. You still have a choice on a rushed out jab, and if worst came to worst people would take it if it meant that or certain death obviously! It just was not like that. And the original post is thought provoking, surely what a forum should be about?

As for this thread, it had a warning, and the OP has been brutally bashed and mocked in my opinion. I keep expecting Lindsay Lohan to jump out with her band of mean girls.

I believe the warning in the title isn't a warning about this thread potentially being upsetting, it's clearly a warning against the vaccine. It's also eye catching, let's face it, I bet the majority of people here have read it because it says "If you are pregnant, this is a warning to you". I also believe that the OP thought she was doing right, but I think a little more thought may have been needed. As I said, it's hardly really relevant to us here in the third tri now is it? Unless someone reading this had it months ago, and is now pissing themselves with worry. I'm not trying to bash the OP, as I know she was just acting according to her opinion and what she thought was the right thing to do.

We are extremely lucky that we haven't seen a pandemic in our life time, actually. Do you know that an influenza outbreak, such as H1N1, could potentially kill 7.4 million people world wide? It's not just ifs and buts, if it happened, it would be very bad. Surely it's better to be prepared? Are you aware of how many pandemics the world has seen anyway? Just a quick read through a wiki article will tell you. Everything from TB to the flu has been a pandemic at one stage or another, that's why we have vaccines. And we'd be at a huge risk if we didn't have them, thanks to the freedom of travel we have these days. It's not something we should sit around and shit ourselves over, but it's there.

These days, the jab isn't even offered anymore, is it? So what is the point in these threads? Especially this 3rd tri one...we're well past the point where we'd be offered one anyway? This is clear scaremongering.

Maybe it is scaremongering. Although I think Blutea is raising a question that a lot of people are asking these days. If another pandemic were to arise on something else, would the same worry cross pregnant ladies minds. Its an issue that needs addressing IMO especially as I would like to become pregnant again in the future.

The point you made above PreggyEggy leads me to believe that this may have been an overreaction on the governments part. Why stop offering the jab now, we still carry on immunising on some of the nearly defunct diseases like Diptheria, yet something that was clearly prevelant only last winter has virtually been forgotten about by some like it was just a load of panic over nothing.

I don't believe it was an overreaction, honestly. The potential threat was huge, and like I said, it's better to be safe then sorry. Diseases like Diptheria are only 'defunct' because there is nobody to catch them, apart from a small number of people, but if we stopped vaccinating, everybody would be at risk again. Imagine if say they stopped vaccinating against TB, and in awhile, a large proportion of the population was unprotected. What would then happen if there was an outbreak of TB in a developing country, which reached pandemic proportions? There would be a serious health risk.

I do indeed as i worked for charities for several years - coaching fundraising teams, mainly Red Cross and Amnesty. I'm fully aware of many awful diseases like Cholera anyway thats for sure. But pandemics i am still a little sceptical of as they always seem to be more fear and less reality. It just annoys me that we have to jump at the slightest spark of media or governmental propoganda. I am more worried about natural disasters weirdly. But yes i love wiki (especially wiki leaks - anything that exposes inside info) so i shall definitely take a look. I agree that its better to be safe than sorry, but it wouldn't change my view on this particular vaccine xx

Believe it or not, I'm not particularly for the H1N1 vaccine either. I was never offered it, but wouldn't have taken it. I mean personally, unless you're at risk from it (like a health worker or something), I don't see the need to take the risk and go for it because it didn't turn out to be so widespread and deadly. This is just a topic that sort of fascinates me, haha! I did have swine flu before I got pregnant though, and it was probably the sickest I've felt in my life!

It's awesome that you work for charities though.

 

[Saywhat]

Me too, i like these threads when they are on topic. I know a lot hate them as they get heated but it would be that or reading "i'm feeling ill" threads all night lol. x

 

[SKATERBUN]

Saywhat its funny you should say that you are more scared of natural disasters, as I am more scared of our 'responsible' world leaders having a big bun fight. With whats going on in the world and the advancement of new weapons and all that. Anyway this is off topic so I'll shut up now A lot of ladies have expressed both their opinions on the rights and wrongs of this vacination, its been a very heated debate and theres a lot of hurt feelings and valid concerns, maybe its time to summerise and close? wheres OP blutea now??