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[cassie: your sister sounds toxic! I have a number of toxic people in my family (my mother, aunt (mother's sister), 2 older brothers and my older sister plus it sounds like my mother's mother was also toxic) so know how that goesI highly suspect they all have narcissistic personality disorder with the 1 brother being the most malignant. I'm the chosen family scapegoat despite being the youngest
My best advice would be to stop talking to her about you going through ivf, especially the emotional stuff. She sounds like she's delighting in your pain which many with e.g. Npd do (they're not called emotional vampires for nothing). Don't give her anything emotionally, brush things off and say everything's going great and you'll let her know when there's something to tell, then change the subject to something that interests her e.g her baby. When she starts talking about her baby, listen for a few minutes feigning interest so she can't say you don't care and then say you need to be somewhere and will talk later. Maybe cut down on your contact with her in general? You need to protect your emotional well-being, especially when going through ivf. I've been giving the polite brush off to my toxic siblings for a while now and they've been leaving me alone for some months now which i'm super grateful for. I can't handle them making my infertility about them and my extra malignant brother constantly putting me down in his condescending, arrogant manner and being cruel whenever i try to enforce healthy, normal boundaries.
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yes i completely agree that my sister has a narcissistic disorder, she is only happy when she bringing other people down... ie bitching about everyone! and about anything/everything... its so horrible! but dont dare say anything about her to anyone because she will be your worst nightmare... bleh..
thing is, i dont talk to her much anyway... she lives in a different state to me and when we lived near each-other,we were best friends i could talk to her about anything and she would be great! but since i moved and started ivf she has become nasty... i think its because she has been with her now husband for almost 10 years and she hasn't fallen pregnant in this time either.. yet her 16yr old daughter did..so i think she is jealous
i think it is the best thing to do just politely brush people off which i am learning to do..
I'm sorry about your brother constantly putting you down its not very nice at all.i think sometimes people really need to learn if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all!
we sound very similar! im the youngest too and my sisters/mum like to make my infertility about them too! gosh people can be so arrogant!![]()
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No I wouldn't think you should tell others about her either! Especially people you feel see her as being a good person 8e.g any other narcisstic people in your family or family memebers that are enablers of her behaviour). There are support forums out there for people that have toxic relatives in their lives. I'm on Reddit's raisedbynarcissists but haven't been on much these last few months. But maybe you could try going on it? I've learned a lot about how to cope with my own family from being on it.
I've learned the best way to handle a narcissist is to either go low contact or evt. no contact if things are really bad. I think enforcing certain boundaries is also good although I do know narcissists detest boundaries. The narcs in my life seem to get really pissed off about it but oh well, it's not my problem how they react if I've been doing it in a polite manner! Trying non-defensive communication can also be good, I'm learning to do it at the moment e.g. "I'm sorry you see it that way" or "I don't accept your definition of me", responses like that.
Unfortunately narcissists don't care about your feelings and how they affect you. Actually many of them delight in hurting you, they enjoy seeing your pain! They know full well what they are doing and do everything on purpose. Which is why trying to have a respectful, loving relationship with one is impossible! They refuse to see an issue in what they say and do and therefore it's pointless to get them to seek professional help. They always shift blame so all the problems in the relationship are all entirely your fault (my brother is a pro at this) or they totally gaslight and say they don't know what you're talking about. I tried for years to get my brother to see I wasn't this awful, selfish human being he constantly makes me out to be - with 0 success. It's an utter waste of time and energy and I've utterly given up. I think I'll end up going no contact with him in the near future because he's so malignant. For my own emotional and psychological health plus to protect my future child from being groomed by my siblings and their kids to be the next family scapegoat!
So sorry you come from a similiar background
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Hey!! I wrote a big message yesterday and it didn't post!! Damn thing.
But wanted to say Cassie when I read what your sister did I nearly cried (doesn't take much these days!). That is so so cruel.
You're young - I'd only put one in. And I haven't done too much reading but I know enough.
Kat - I think I remember your messages from another forum - your family sounds horrible. Horrendous. . You're right to give them some distance.
Tina - I always had that hope I'd get pregnant naturally between staring IVF. Miracles can happen.
Unlucky 41 - congrats on your new job!
All good with me. Decided to forgive my sister and my mum - well try to move on. It wasn't deliberate. My sister is the person whose whole world revolves around her. And hard to consider others feelings. Want to go into January being all zen and happy. So that's what I need right now so I'm just like - let it go!
I had dinner tonight with two of my husband's friends wives who are due any day. Argh!! I remember when we were trying around the same time. Kind of annoying. I just feel like all this wasted time has gone by - sometimes I get so angry. Brings up frustrations (that I've tried to put behind me) that my husband waited 15 months after we got married to get a sperm test. He warned me we'd have trouble when we dated because of a surgery he had when he was younger. And it feels like we should (well he) should have been onto it sooner. Anyway, can't change the past. But there a big difference in those years after you're 34! Now our second wedding anniversary comes up in Feb and god i hope I'm pregnant. IVF journey has been so slow. But keeping positive (trying too) we will get there.
I'm guessing period will come 5th January so they'll track me after 10 days? I don't even know how it works. Must call - might try and fit in a little get away somewhere.
Nearly get the genetic testing results back soon...hopefully it's by Christmas! I just want to know.
Thanks miranda
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Awww I can imagine seeing the wives must have be hard, especially when you all started trying around the same time
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