Beach Bump Graduates!

Thanks Linds, i'm not there yet but it was something i had no idea about! xx
 
I just vividly remember my boobs turning into two throbbing basketballs.....
 
Ewww feel down today, im so tired Niamh was awake so much last night and I ended up with her sleeping in the bed with us as she just screamed and screamed in her basket. The tiredness is really taking its toll now. I dont think I have really ever caught up from the 50+ hours I was awake during her birth and first day.

I feel rough and my wound is aching and i still smell like old ladies ulcerated legs. Im fed up of not being able to jump in the car and go out and having to depend on people to chauffer us about the place.

Niamh is now going through her im awake and crying period that she does most evenings, why is it always when the soaps are on???
 
hmm def colic if youre getting it most evenings - have you tried colief yet?
 
Hi ladies, have been reading the thread about feeding tonight as I was up early this am with Ajay. It seems like we all have some really similar questions about feeding which reassures me as a paranoid first timer!

Ajay is 5 days old now and we started off FF as well as BF and hand expressing/then pumping as he wouldn’t latch on – apparently I have flat nipples (sorry for TMI). So we have slowly tried to remove the FF and I always have at least one expressed bottle in the fridge for emergencies. But I had some questions…. Can you help me?!

We have to wake him for feeds every three hours, the MW’s told us to, but for probably the last 24 hours we have woken him every time. Should we let him sleep for longer? I’m finding it takes me time to wake him then he never latches properly as he is tired and groggy.

As an example, he has literally just dropped off to sleep but is due another feed in the 3 hour cycle a 10 am - I hate waking him knowing that he has fed off and on for 2 hours and then gets woken again!

Also, I am so worried that he isn’t getting enough. This am I woke him at 7.30 for a feed and he has literally been on and off the breast since then – falling asleep, then he wakes and I try again, asleep etc. Finally he has seemed to fall back asleep now. He is poo'ing and wee'ing well though and seems content enough most of the time.

I can express about 25 mls at a time in 20 minutes – Clare I saw that you expresss 3 ozs which is about 3 times what I’m doing…. So I’m worried about my supply really although the MW said that was a good amount.

Anna - I’m trying to what Linds suggested too – keep him on the breast until he has enough although I’m in pain with the latching (need to get that looked into as I don’t think he is latching properly) but it’s tough. I think my problem is differet as he falls asleep at the breast and then never comes off! I have to unlatch him after waking him to keep going tonnes of times.

Doods – I too have 2 stone to lose. I only lost about 7 kgs from labour (was vainly disappointed) so have about 2 stone left. Weirdly because it’s so busy I’m literally eating whatever is in front of me, I don’t care. But my tummy is about 4 months pregnant still.

Re pumping – what pump do people use and how long does it take you to get to 3 ozs?

Clare – so sorry you’re having a bad night. Hope things are better this morning?

Any advice you ladies could give me would be hugely appreciated.

ps: also the umbilical cord stump fell off today when I was doing a nappy change. It scared the life out of me - I was so worried Id hurt my little man.

We have the 5 day check up today for his weight etc so I hope that goes ok. So worried he will have lost too much.... Oh I'm a paranoid wreck! :nope:
 
Hey Caz. Obviously I'm no expert but I'll answer your questinons as best I can with what I would do. I hope that helps!

Re the feeding schedule: Personally I would try for a whole day to NOT wake him and see how he gets on. Also if he is a bit sleepy and lazy latching on, wait for him to wake up, then make a point of changing his bum before feeding him. Make sure he is really wide awake. I do that with Sophie's night feeds so she can fall asleep on the boob but also so she takes big furious gulps of milk which I think makes her sleep better. If after a day he is sleeping too long then go back to waking him. But if he's in the habit of waking every 3 hours anyway he shouldn't go much past that. I would wake him after 4 hours if you're worried about him going too long.

Re how much he is getting, it sounds like he's getting plenty. As long has he is putting on weight after the first 2 weeks (BIM most babies lose up to 10% of their weight in the first week or so - should be back to birth weight by about 2 weeks). As long as you have lots of wet nappies and regular poos it's all good. Don't forget niamh is about 2 weeks older than ajay so Claire would be able to express more. It will come with time. :hugs:

Re him falling asleep in the boobs, you'll find in a few days he will be a lot more alert and feeding will be a bit easier. I mentioned before that in the first week Sophie's nickname was "eat sleep shit" because that's ALL she did! She spends a lot more time awake now and is a ferocious feeder!

Re being on and off the breast all the time - that just sounds like cluster feeding. It's just his way of telling your boobs they need to produce more. I get it every now and then with Soph. She's been doing it for the last few days and I woke at 3am with tits like hot bowling balls! And she only wanted to feed off of one so I had to try and go back to sleep with one hard, painful boob. Funzles! The good thing is, after a couple of days of cluster feeding you'll have loads of milk so feeding gets easier for another few days until they start up again deciding they need more.

Re your weight - you'll probably find it drops a lot more in the first couple of weeks. When I got home from hospital I was annoyingly exactly the same bloody weight! I've dropped over a stone since then!

Don't worry about the paranoia. It's completely normal. Just try not to worry too much or you'll end up like I was with Harry - not a good state to be in! In a few weeks you'll find your feet a bit more. It's the first three months that are a bit daunting.

I hope none of this sounds preachy - its only what I would do. Feel free to ignore the lot but thats my humble opinion. Best of luck! And pics of little Ajay please!!!
 
Hey Caz - Re: the expressing as DM said it took a while for me to get up to that amount and because Niamh will not latch on the breast at all I have been expressing since day three when my milk came in. With expressing i have found that the more you do it the more my supply increases. I still top Niamh up with a formula feed generally at night time as it helps her to sleep longer.

About the sleeping, I personally sont wake Niamh up for feeds I find that she will generally wake up anything between 2.5 and 4 hours for a feed. There have been a few nights that she has gone 6 hours but thats down to getting the formula feed. I agree with Linds and think its worth leaving Ajay and seeing what he does.

No advice about keeping them awake while feeding as Niamh is a little piggy and certainly wouldnt fall asleep during a feed. The girl can do 4oz in about 10 minutes. I have to stop her after every ounce to wind or she gets chronic wind. I stop and change her naooy half way through feeding but thats only to slow her down in the hope that her milk does not make a projectile re-appearance.

I have been finding it all really overwhealming too, especially now D is back at work and im left alone with this tiny baby. Its hard in the evenings when she is so upset and I cant do anything to make her any better at all. Im hoping with time that things will get easier :)

Looking forward to seeing pictures of Ajay he sounds like a little cutie. :hugs:
 
Going to ask Imogen (Eve's pal) but thought I would ask here too...I pumped last night and only got 2.5 oz from both boobs - that's not alot is it!? I have been nursing Hailey as often as she wants, but she is still falling asleep at the boob...she get 1 or 2 bottles of formula a day (one night feed that OH does before going to work and she takes 4 oz) and then sometimes one during the day if she is fussy/super hungry and I can't cope nursing her for what seems like forever...I guess this is why she is nursing so often - she needs 4 oz and I might not be giving her that much...suggestions?

I know everyone says that there is not such thing as not having enough milk supply, but is it possible?

Apart from that she is doing great and I am doing alright... I just worry that I am heading down the same path as I did with Cameron - not being able to BF my baby - this time however, if this is what happens, I am in a much better place emotionally and mentally to deal with it...anyway, your thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated...

Happy feedings everyone :)
 
I am all on formula now....i have many reasons for switching and yes i guess i do feel guilty but ultimately he is a happy baby and thats all i care about.

Just been for our day 10 check, he has put on nearly 11ozs in total!!! He has been discharged from the midwife :) But i havent :( my stitches still aren't right :(

Am also getting sick of people feeling the need to share their opinions.....BF/FF.....dummy/no dummy....

Rant over :)
 
Georgie pay absolutely no attention to anyone all that matters is that you have a healthy thriving baby and a happy and health mummy. Everyone else can SOD OFF!

I feed Niamh formula and as I said before she is better on the formula than she is on the BM its my guilt that keeps forcing the BM down her. She sleeps better on formula and seems to help with her colic to as days that she has more formula tend to be more settled days.

As for dummys I bloody wish Niamh would take one!! I spend long periods of time trying to force one on her only for it to be launched across the room as soon as I remove my finger. Have tried all different shapes and sizes but she is not interested.

Great news about Joshua's weight gain!! Your obviously doing a fantastic job :) Sorry to hear that your stiches are not healing as well as they could off!!

AFM - Had a reasonable night with "the boss" aka as Niamh. Asleep at 11 up at 4 so I count myself lucky. She is currently asleep in her basket so I am going to try and do a little house work. D is at work today so is just me and the baby. Lots of times for old movies and cuddles on the sofa i think :)
 
Amen to that Claire. I had a lot of that with Harry and it made me feel like shite. The bit i hated was when I went to the mother and baby group and ALL they talked about was BF - I felt like such a pariah, sitting there giving Harry a bottle. I went home in tears and never went back! To my mind, everyone knows the best way to bring up THEIR child. THEIRS. I am the best person to ask on how to bring up Harry and Sophie. I can tell you exactly what works for them. But the best person to advise on how to bring up Joshua is YOU. I love this forum because I know that if I ask for help, its there in abundance. But we have no judgement and no forced opinion. Sounds like he's doing splendidly, little gannet!

Claire I know what you mean about dummies! Harry took to one straight away and it was a godsend. Sophie just looks appalled every time I try and offer one and just gobs it straight back out. I'm secretly quite pleased as I really don't like them - we have a friend who's little girl is nearly 2 and I don't think I have seen what she looks like wihtout a dummy. Every single picture of her has a dummy in and I just can't BEAR it! But they worked a treat with Dragon and helped him settle and calmed him when he was distressed.

Really tired today. I went to sleep at about midnight and Soph was up at 0130 til gone 2. She woke again at 0530 til 6 then again at 8 and at 1030. Shes asleep at the moment. I have just cheered myself up with a bag of toffee popcorn. So need to stop eating crap as I am going to start putting weight on again. Tomorrow M goes back to work so I am going to start doing some gentle exercise on the Wii Fit. I reckon I could have Soph in the carrier too, she'll like that!
 
Georgie - I feel your pain and your thoughts. I am having the same thought processes. I'm only 6 days in but already exhuasted from BF'ing - was up all night, it hurts despite trying to sort out latching positions etc. But I want to keep trying for as long as I can. But FF is a def option - we have another MW check tomorrow to see if his weight is better and we will see from there.

I know that people have really strong opinions about BF/FF but they shouldn't impose those on another person in my opinion. Having now had my little Ajay, it is harder than I ever imagined possble - rewarding as well - but we all have to chose what is best for each of us. With all of the hormones as well, it's hard emotionally I find to think rationally about it.

Clare - 5 hours sleep, sounds like a dream! How do you do it? Thanks for helping with my questrions, I really appreciate it. I am worried about Neel going back to work but know in my heart it will be ok - I just worry a lot, I've always been an anxious person and having such a wonderful little baby now makes me want to ensure even more that I do the right things.

Linds - thanks as wlel for your help. We have a weight in tomorrow with the MW so I've been exclusively BF'ing since yesterday's 5 day weight in so I hope to see it increase. If not, then we have decided to evaluate options. Also he has lots of wet and pooey napies so I hope that is a good sign that he is eating and not dehydrated etc. He always seems to wee himself when we change him!

Re weight, I weighted myself again today and have lost a stone since I had him - it has seemed to drop off since I got back. Prob due to BF'ing as wel.

Thanks everyone, your comments have helped, reassured me.
x
 
oooh well done you. you'll prob find he'll spend a few days on the boob now to get your supply back up but it will settle back down.

I think we all know that breast is best but I cant stand the attitude that formula is poison blah blah... What baby needs most is a calm and competent loving mother. If BF is stretching you to breaking point then wtf is the point?
 
Thanks guys :hugs:

I actually wasnt a fan of the dummy thing myself but he has just about taken to having one in the last few days. We have had to try a few out for shape and size though! He doesnt have it much at all, just when he wants it. I also dont give it to him when we are trying to get him to sleep because he usually ends up spitting it out and waking himself up, so its just a vicious circle.

Caz - I really sympathise with you and good on you for persevering as you have.
I had the same problem with fighting my hormones, i think as the others have said though you have to make the best decision for you and your baby.
For me, being so exhausted and physically crippled (my back and neck objected big time) wasnt the best for me or my son. Also, the control freak part of me really likes to know exactly how many oz's he has had etc.
My hubby has been great and has been part of all these long (and sometimes very repetitive) discussions and decisions.
I, like Claire, tried to do half and half...for the same reason of feeling guilty really but have found he is actually in a much better routine and its actually easier just doing formula. Half and half was alot to think about and plan.
I hope you find something that suits you both soon xx
 
BB I am glad that you are doing what is best for you and baby...We are having the same discussion (for the umpteenth time) We have been supplementing with formula since Hailey was born - because she was so early we were told to - so she has had formula since day one. I have been trying my best to BF, but she still gets some formula each day...

what I am finding right now is that she wants more after a BFing session - this morning she BF for 45 minutes (I was so happy she stayed awake and nursed on both breasts) and then 30 minutes later she ate 2.5 oz of formula (she refused both boobs)...Like I mentioned in my post yesterday - I don't know if I am producing enough....

it is not only making things long for me, but also for my little guy Cameron - if I didn't have anything else to do I would nurse Hailey all day if she wanted it, but I have lots of other things to do - taking care of Cameron (a very busy 3 year old boy) being the most demanding and the hardest thing to do while trying to nurse...

Anyway, typing it down has been a bit helpful...

Hope you are all well and your wee ones are thriving!
 
Quick question for you ladies who have already 'graduated' lol...

How many cellular blankets do you think you need? I have 2 at the moment, do you think i need more? Can you use other blankets or is it best to use the cellular ones for newborns?

thanks :flower:
 
I dont know about the others but i have found the cellular ones really handy. Especially if you can get them in different sizes.

The other thing i believe you can never have to many of....muslin cloths! Ive got at least 12 and still find myself searching for clean ones!

xx
 
:hugs: everyone who's having an ordeal re- feeding. I went through the same with Holly- just ignore what anyone says- a happy and healthy mummy is the most important thing :)

No news here- bad night last night though- Naomi fed and refused to be put down until about 4.30am so am rather tired! She's normally so good- she has done this once before though so I'm thinking maybe a growth spurt?

HV's coming Tues, I really hope she's gained!!! She can only fit into her newborn vests now, not sleepsuits so that's got to be something right? Am such a worrier.......
 
Doods - same night last night for me yesterday - am hoping Ajay sleeps through tonight. I hope the same for Naomi as well - if not, speak to you on here?!

Simmy - the cellular blankets are fantastic - we use them for swaddling and also to cover him if we're having skin-to-skin. My Mum actually bought us 3 more today as we had 3 and use them all the time. So we have 6 and use them so much. I think Mamas and Papas might have a sale on? I got them a few months ago 3 for 2 and my Mum picked some up yesterday for me.
 
Hehe fingers crossed we get some sleep tonight Caz! They've got to nap sometime right?! :haha: I should think they'll be a regular night time club on here soon lol! x
 

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