TTC 1st child 35+ (Please spoiler any PG news/announcements).

New fertility drug works for couple who failed at IVF

HELEN PUTTICK, Health Correspondent

20 Oct 2008

A Scottish couple whose chances of conceiving were as low as one in 20 have had a baby boy after becoming the first in the world to use a new fertility drug.

A Scottish couple whose chances of conceiving were as low as one in 20 have had a baby boy after becoming the first in the world to use a new fertility drug.

The treatment mimics the natural processes that take place in fertile women more closely than other conventional medicines.

Doctors said their success marked a new chapter in the care available to people struggling to start a family.

The couple, who had been trying for a child for three years and had already experienced a failed attempt through IVF, eventually conceived using the new drug and their son was born last month. In statement the couple, who did not wish to be identified, said: "It is an amazing feeling having him in our lives and we could not be happier now."

In IVF eggs are removed from the ovaries and mixed with sperm in a laboratory in the hope some will fertilise and can be transplanted back inside the mother. The woman is given drugs to stimulate the growth of several eggs in the ovary at once, so a number can be extracted and increase the chances of success.

The main component of these drugs is the follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). Traditionally the medication was made using FSH purified from the urine of menopausal women. It was a significant step forward when biochemists managed to produce the hormone in a laboratory.

However, in fertile women FSH does not act alone to encourage the growth of an egg each month. The pituitary gland releases another chemical, luteinising hormone.

Now a drug called Pergoveris has been produced which combines both luteinising hormone and FSH. There is hope that using the two hormones together may improve the quality of the embryo created and increase its chances of survival.

Professor Richard Fleming, scientific director of the Glasgow Centre for Reproductive Medicine (GCRM), the private fertility clinic where the treatment was successfully used for the first time, said: "It is trying to replicate what happens in nature more than the pure FSH drug."

GCRM doctors believed the 36-year-old woman who gave birth after using the treatment, which typically costs around %500 for a 10 to 12 day course, stood a lower than average chance of conceiving even through IVF because of her hormone profile.

Professor Fleming said: "Usually, we expect a pregnancy rate of 35% in patients of this age. But in a case like this we would expect a success rate more in the region of 5% to 10%. Tests before treatment showed that her ovarian function was below normal, with only a limited supply of eggs available. Most patients like this do not respond well to fertility drugs."

Ideally five to 15 eggs are harvested for use in IVF. Even with Pergoveris only two were available in this case, but still the couple beat the odds.

Professor Fleming said it was always thrilling at GCRM when a patient gave birth, but added: "When it happens for a patient whose chances are limited there is a smile on everyone's face."

Doctors are increasingly able to find out more about a patient's fertility - such as the number of eggs the woman has in reserve - before embarking on IVF. Professor Fleming said success with drugs such as Pergoveris marked a new chapter in which patients could be offered more individual treatment.

Dr Marco Gaudoin, medical director of GCRM, said: "The important bit is being able to tailor treatment to individual women. Cancer specialists are talking about giving tailored cancer therapy once they know about cancer genetics. We can actually do something like that now with infertility treatment."

The couple said: "Staff at the GCRM were fantastic throughout the whole process and we cannot thank them enough."
 
Purple .massive hugs Hun ,u will have your own scan pic soon,I am sure of it ,:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Girls-just a quick hello from me (as if).

Butterfly, if your heart is telling you to come back to the UK, then that is what you must do. It sounds as if it is the best plan for you at this time in your life. Good luck hun, we are here for you, whenever you need us.:thumbup::thumbup:

Forever, soooooooooo sorry, it is truly Pantsville USA. Be very kind to yourself and let it all out. You will get there, think of this as a blip. Big hugs to you!

Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadbrat!! OMG, how exciting! I too have no idea what those drugs mean, but Buserelin sounds particularly familiar. Did I take it for IUI??? Who knows, I have a sieve for a memory. But it is truly happening and I am sooo delighted for you! Come on, bring on the BFP! :thumbup:

Skye, very glad indeed that you are now forced to take it easy by baby Shirin (good little bb that she is!!!!) Taxi driver sounds truly emotionally literate-oh if more men were like this:growlmad:. Take it easy hun! That is an order! :hugs::hugs:

Hello everybody else-love you all!

AFM, had ovulation pains today twice. Am wondering if I can wheedle Him Indoors up to Bedfordshire again tonight to catch the eggie, although deed was done last night too!!! Hmmmmmm. :wacko:

Before I forget, all those with IVF experience, can any of you answer this question??? About two days after my egg collection, I had ovulation type pains in my left ovary (I know that's where the two eggs came from. Right ovary seemed pretty useless). Is this normal-ovary shrinking back to normal size or... da da daaaaaa (detective like ta da sound) could I have ovulated then-the rest of the blooming eggs who may or may not have been there?????????????????

Lots of love to you all, :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Before I forget, all those with IVF experience, can any of you answer this question??? About two days after my egg collection, I had ovulation type pains in my left ovary (I know that's where the two eggs came from. Right ovary seemed pretty useless). Is this normal-ovary shrinking back to normal size or... da da daaaaaa (detective like ta da sound) could I have ovulated then-the rest of the blooming eggs who may or may not have been there?????????????????

Lots of love to you all, :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:

I believe that is normal... I was feeling stuff too after the ER...you are fine:thumbup:
 
Nmg,u are totally glowing Hun,u are beautiful on the outside as well as the inside ,wishing u all things good ,:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Thank you all for saying I look happy and healthy, I'll keep you all posted on the bump news.....

One thing I meant to put in my original post but was too distracted was do NOT look at the pic if you don't want to....I don't want to cause any sadness. That is directed towards EVERYONE as I know even if you haven't had many heartbreaks with TTC, it still is an emotional time for us all. I would not feel slighted in the least if anyone didn't have it in her to look. I thought about making it hidden but I don't know how to do that! So if someone can tell me how to do a spoilers one where it is hidden, I will be sure to keep any poppy news hidden just in case you are having a sad day and just plain can't bear it. I understand and love you all so educate me on this hidden thing someone and I'll be sure to use it going forward.

Not that you all haven't been lovely and sincere, I just cringed after I posted it thinking some ladies may have a hard time with my bump. and if i made anyone sad, I am so sorry!!!!

hugs to you all!!!!!
beth
 
Hi Ladies!

Hope everyone had a great weekend!

HA - my heart goes out to you. What a totally unpleasant surprise to have. Although you weren't told, we all thank you for the warning here so we won't be caught off guard. :hugs: to you.

Twinkle - :hugs::hugs::hugs: to you.

skye - now that is a nice thing to experience....I'm sure that brought you comfort..... I fully believe everything happens for a reason and you were meant to have that taxi driver! :flower: As far as slowing down - I was a snail to begin with, I don't think I can get any slower, so you being active is wonderful!

omm - any way that baby gets here is a blessing and meant to be. It WILL happen, so take all the help you need and we are praying for you. donor eggs, your eggs, who cares, in the end, you will have a snuggly little bean to call your own. :flower::flower:

butterfly, how are you dear? Glad you can get cheap flights to get where you need to for O.

4ever - how was your weekend, you ok? waiting to hear on your results tomorrow.

Hi Purple, dwrgi, FM, Mac, despie, carol, pradbat, and all my other friends I have missed.....many :hugs: and :dust: to you all!

Here's my 18 week bump pic I took this morning, by the way.... poppy is popping out! :happydance:


nmg, just seen your bump pic. how cute!!! you look really well. xxx
 
Forever, so sorry that the witch has appeared but really good that you have insurance and can keep trying, in my mind that makes it more likely that you will succeed next time if that makes sense :hugs::hugs::hugs:

padbrat, so excited for you that this is kicking off but also very nervous for you as I know how important this one is for you but with the DE option there is such a great chance of this succeeding :hugs::hugs::hugs:

Beth, if you want to do a spoiler, put in what you want to hide, then highlight it and click on the symbol that looks like a censored face - the one on the far right at the top :hugs:

Dwrgi, interesting report although 3 years old so I wonder if these are the drugs they are now using?

Purple, big :hug: and am hoping you will have your scan picture soon

:dust: to those who need it and :hug: too

ETA yes, am from the UK originally and have lived in the Middle East for nearly 7 years but kept changing my mind in the last year as to where I wanted to be!
 
Forever, so sorry that the witch has appeared but really good that you have insurance and can keep trying, in my mind that makes it more likely that you will succeed next time if that makes sense :hugs::hugs::hugs:

padbrat, so excited for you that this is kicking off but also very nervous for you as I know how important this one is for you but with the DE option there is such a great chance of this succeeding :hugs::hugs::hugs:

Beth, if you want to do a spoiler, put in what you want to hide, then highlight it and click on the symbol that looks like a censored face - the one on the far right at the top :hugs:

Dwrgi, interesting report although 3 years old so I wonder if these are the drugs they are now using?

Purple, big :hug: and am hoping you will have your scan picture soon

:dust: to those who need it and :hug: too

ETA yes, am from the UK originally and have lived in the Middle East for nearly 7 years but kept changing my mind in the last year as to where I wanted to be!

butterfly, i know where you would love ISTANBUL!!!!! :)) plenty of opportunities here - job wise and HOT men wise too. i'm being selfish of course...we could have regular play dates!!!! :winkwink:
 
:hug: sumat! tbh I would love to live somewhere warm that is nearer the Uk once I have my :baby: - and somewhere I know someone already so I might hold you to that in a year or two lol
 
NMG thank you hon :) It was a nice experience especially hearing those words from a brave man :)) Lovely bump :))) Mommy's Angel knows how to hide posts in spoiler better ask her.

Debs Buserelin is your hormone suppresser and the Progynova is the stimm tablets. AAAAAAAw so exciting. You go girl and have a little pink baby :))) How is the TSH by the way? Are you using thyroid pills to balance it or do you have anything extra?

4ever i'm so sorry honey. i know the feeling. It totally sucks having the witch after tx. HUGS HUGS HUGS. Mb some chocolate cake and a silly TV programme might help xxxx

Bearlake how are you hon?

Lois don't you get too upset hon. The little bean inside would feel it too :)) Everything will be fine in the end :)) xxx

Amanda you are so much like me it's weird. I would have dived head first to that article as well LOL!!! Worth investigating. Isn't GCRM where you said there was a long waiting list. I'd get my name on that list asap. But keep on researching any side effects on the web. xxx I don't think you would have ovulated anything from the IVF cycle cause the trigger would have surfaced them all. All the eggs die after every cycle and gets washed with the witch anyway. Since u r in a new cycle mb you just ovulated.

Sumatswit I didn't realise you live in Istanbul. One of my favourite cities in the world :) And no I'm not from there. Hahahhaha !!!! Where do you live? How do you cope with the traffic though??? We were there last week, stayed in Levent in the banking district. Which was fine cause we went there just for the shopping. Only been to Taksim briefly. I don't feel I stepped into Istanbul soil unless I visit Taksim once. :) The energy of the place amazes me every time. Are you Turkish too?

Butterfly you are considering a big move. Good luck hon a lot of thinking to do :) Makes sense if you do get pregnant not to be far from the father/xbf/good friend. xx
 
:happydance::happydance::happydance: LLbean is that a BFP? Did I completely miss that. :))) Woow congratulations sweetie. Fantastic news!!!:happydance::happydance:
 
NMG thank you hon :) It was a nice experience especially hearing those words from a brave man :)) Lovely bump :))) Mommy's Angel knows how to hide posts in spoiler better ask her.

Debs Buserelin is your hormone suppresser and the Progynova is the stimm tablets. AAAAAAAw so exciting. You go girl and have a little pink baby :))) How is the TSH by the way? Are you using thyroid pills to balance it or do you have anything extra?

4ever i'm so sorry honey. i know the feeling. It totally sucks having the witch after tx. HUGS HUGS HUGS. Mb some chocolate cake and a silly TV programme might help xxxx

Bearlake how are you hon?

Lois don't you get too upset hon. The little bean inside would feel it too :)) Everything will be fine in the end :)) xxx

Amanda you are so much like me it's weird. I would have dived head first to that article as well LOL!!! Worth investigating. Isn't GCRM where you said there was a long waiting list. I'd get my name on that list asap. But keep on researching any side effects on the web. xxx I don't think you would have ovulated anything from the IVF cycle cause the trigger would have surfaced them all. All the eggs die after every cycle and gets washed with the witch anyway. Since u r in a new cycle mb you just ovulated.

Sumatswit I didn't realise you live in Istanbul. One of my favourite cities in the world :) And no I'm not from there. Hahahhaha !!!! Where do you live? How do you cope with the traffic though??? We were there last week, stayed in Levent in the banking district. Which was fine cause we went there just for the shopping. Only been to Taksim briefly. I don't feel I stepped into Istanbul soil unless I visit Taksim once. :) The energy of the place amazes me every time. Are you Turkish too?

Butterfly you are considering a big move. Good luck hon a lot of thinking to do :) Makes sense if you do get pregnant not to be far from the father/xbf/good friend. xx

Yoo hoo!! Helloooooooo-nice to hear from you! How are you feeling today?? How is little Shirin?? Bet you can't wait to meet her!!

Butterfly mentioned that this article was 2008, but I still think it's relevant, and have read of other poor responders having success with it. I'd give anything a try. I've rung IVF Wales again and they will ring me back this lunchtime-they aren't doing treatment until January, but that's fine, as I want the DHEA to have effect first. So, essentially, I just want a consultation with them now for advice, etc. Fingers crossed they can meet with Me and Him soon.

Googling is addictive isn't it, but I have learnt such a lot from it, that I'm not giving up!!

Have a great day hun!

Lots of love
Amanda
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NMG thank you hon :) It was a nice experience especially hearing those words from a brave man :)) Lovely bump :))) Mommy's Angel knows how to hide posts in spoiler better ask her.

Debs Buserelin is your hormone suppresser and the Progynova is the stimm tablets. AAAAAAAw so exciting. You go girl and have a little pink baby :))) How is the TSH by the way? Are you using thyroid pills to balance it or do you have anything extra?

4ever i'm so sorry honey. i know the feeling. It totally sucks having the witch after tx. HUGS HUGS HUGS. Mb some chocolate cake and a silly TV programme might help xxxx

Bearlake how are you hon?

Lois don't you get too upset hon. The little bean inside would feel it too :)) Everything will be fine in the end :)) xxx

Amanda you are so much like me it's weird. I would have dived head first to that article as well LOL!!! Worth investigating. Isn't GCRM where you said there was a long waiting list. I'd get my name on that list asap. But keep on researching any side effects on the web. xxx I don't think you would have ovulated anything from the IVF cycle cause the trigger would have surfaced them all. All the eggs die after every cycle and gets washed with the witch anyway. Since u r in a new cycle mb you just ovulated.

Sumatswit I didn't realise you live in Istanbul. One of my favourite cities in the world :) And no I'm not from there. Hahahhaha !!!! Where do you live? How do you cope with the traffic though??? We were there last week, stayed in Levent in the banking district. Which was fine cause we went there just for the shopping. Only been to Taksim briefly. I don't feel I stepped into Istanbul soil unless I visit Taksim once. :) The energy of the place amazes me every time. Are you Turkish too?

Butterfly you are considering a big move. Good luck hon a lot of thinking to do :) Makes sense if you do get pregnant not to be far from the father/xbf/good friend. xx


hi skye, it's my dh who is turkish, i'm a brit :) yes, it is a fantastic city but the traffic makes my blood boil at times. i live on the asian side, caddebostan sahil, it's right by the coast and i love it. i find it much more liveable on this side (greener, more spacious etc etc) but head over to the european side a lot. taksim is great, it's the energy for sure :) will be spending the day there on thursday. on your next visit, check out this side of istanbul too, if you like shopping, you'll find everything on bagdat street. we've got excellent waterside restuarants here too ( god i sound like a tour operator haha). my mum and dad love it here and go off out on adventures every day. they grab a water bus and off they go. my sisters are yet to visit.... :nope: i'll let them off though, they've got little ones to consider when travelling. funny, it was different when i lived in brisbane for 3 yrs, couldn't get them off my doorstep then! to be honest, istanbul is hands down one of the best, and people have to see it to believe it. hope u enjoyed your stay. x
 
Hi,
I'm on my phone so apologies for spelling mistakes etc.

Twinkle, :hugs: hope you feel better after bumping into your friend
with a baby. Well done for managing ToysRUs!!!!

HA sorry you had to go through the film experience. I think
people are either on denial of the effects of mc or they just
do not think. Hope your nightmares have gone x

4ever, so so sorry about your AF. I'm still hoping it will turn
out ok.:hugs:

OMM I've got my fingers crossed your appt today goes well x x

Caroleb good luck for your scan (today isn't it?) I sure hope it
will ease your worries. Keeping my FX for twins!

Padropat good luck with your tx! I was on Buserelin and still
Am on cyclogest for now twice daily, but had injectable gonal-f for
stimming.

Drwgi interesting article! I hope you cought the egg this month!
In regards to your question of ovulation pain post egg collection;
my clinic said it was due to follicles filling up again after being
emptied. I was in agony after my collection.

Butterly follow your heart! TTC might be easier if you were in UK, no?

Skye thanks gor being such a sweetie! I am glad to hear you are
finally taking it easy!
NMG gorgeous pumb you've got there!
LLB congratulations!!!! SO happy you got your Sticky beany!!!

AFM I went against all my instincts and did a hpt on Sunday which
was 8 days post transfer. Tested negative. I thought it would prepare
me for Wed test, but to be honest it just ruined my weekend and
squashed all hope I had for this to work. All my symptoms are gone, so I think I will start my AF any time now. Heartbroken. And stupidly I feel like I've let
Everybody down.
I know there is a theoretical possibility that my hcg wasn't St a level that the test could measure but I just have a bad feeling about this now.
This was our only free cycle, so will have to start saving money gor another I quess.
Sorry for being so negative but I just feel so down at the moment....


Thank hod for you all, I do not know how I would cope without you all!
:hugs::hugs:
 
AFM I went against all my instincts and did a hpt on Sunday which
was 8 days post transfer. Tested negative. I thought it would prepare
me for Wed test, but to be honest it just ruined my weekend and
squashed all hope I had for this to work. All my symptoms are gone, so I think I will start my AF any time now. Heartbroken. And stupidly I feel like I've let
Everybody down.
I know there is a theoretical possibility that my hcg wasn't St a level that the test could measure but I just have a bad feeling about this now.
This was our only free cycle, so will have to start saving money gor another I quess.
Sorry for being so negative but I just feel so down at the moment....


Thank hod for you all, I do not know how I would cope without you all!
:hugs::hugs:

:hug: aww bearlake hoping that it was just that your HCG wasn't high enough FX'd. Good luck for Wednesday and I'm sure no one thinks you've let them down. Sorry you're feeling so down but it's not surprising. Big hugs to you.
 
Dear Bearlake, I don't think that you have let anybody down and you mustn't beat yourself up. A few things-your official testing is tomorrow, is it not, so it's not over yet!? And people experience all sorts of symptoms, or lack of them, before getting their BFPs so hang on in there.

There is one thing that I have learnt through this process, and that you may have all the scientific help in the world, do all the right things, etc. etc., and still we are thwarted by Mother Nature, which is bigger than any scientific and technological advances. And that is what is the worst part, as we can do NOTHING to prepare for where Mother Nature takes us.

Don't lose hope until you know for sure, hun, I'm keeping all my fingers and toes crossed for you!

Lots of love,
Axxxxx
P.S. Now is the time for lots of TLC-truck loads!!
:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
Morning lovelies! :hi:

Hope everyone is doing OK today and sending big :hugs: all round. Hope y'all get the news you're wishing for (purplelou - good luck with today's scan and bearlake prayers for you for wednesday.)

I'm watching This Morning and there's a woman on here who's had 6 children and ended up with a vaginal prolapse that looked like a penis. She's talking about her new 'designer vagina'. Lordy. No pictures yet and I'm not sure I want to look...I see enough vaginas in my day job :nope:.

I've got a CBFM high reading after two peaks so guess I've ov'd and only managed to BD the once on day 10 (had a high reading then day before first peak) so am officially in the 2WW zone. I know it only takes one lot of rumpy but, you know, I'd feel better if we'd dtd several times but got to respect my OH and his hellish shift pattern. Guess I'll just have to keep temping and see. Ugh, am so impatient.

Love to y'all!
xxx
 

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